The Slow Roll (no poker content)
 

I'm not sure where this should go. I'm posting here instead of B&M, because I'm interested to see if it effects players any from an emotional or strategic standpoint.

To make a long story short, I had AA and the pot was big. I called a 3-bet on the turn. The river paired the board and my opponent checked. I thought he might've just gotten his two pair counterfeited so I bet for value. He called. I showed my hand and he just sat there forever staring at my aces. Finally he turned over his two cards revealing he had turned a straight.

For an hour afterwards 4 players approached me with their indignation over his slow roll (there was no question it was intentional by the way as this player knew he had a straight).

Is there something wrong with me that this does not bother me in the least? What's the big deal if someone slow rolls you? You'd have lost the pot anyway, so who cares?

In addition, I figure this guy donates about 50k per year to the game, so if he gets a kick out of slowrolling me then let him have his fun! Why would I get mad about it?

Anyway, I close friend of mine said I should plan an elaborate slowroll for him in the future in retaliation. I don't know. I don't think it's a good idea. He's an older guy who just doesn't like me because he thinks I'm lucky and win all the time. I have to admit it might be fun, but I have never slowrolled anyone in my life. I'm not sure I want to stoop to his level. I also worry about making him look bad and having it cost me action from him in the future.

Does anyone have any comments on the the subject of slowrolling?

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Is there something wrong with me that this does not bother me in the least?

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It would make you go on tilt if you were normal.

PM Alan Schoonmaker, Ph.D. for ideas if you are looking for help. Just remember that recognizing you have a problem is the first step in finding a solution.

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I dont get pissed about taht stuff either.
If slow rolling him, is more profitable, in your opinion, than not slow rolling him (due to tilt, constantly firing at you etc) then do it, otherwise, dont.

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You seem like too much of gentleman to slow-roll. Keep it classy.

Personally, I get annoyed with slow-rollers. "dude, the action dictates that you should have the best hand. WTF do you have?"

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From a purely strategic standpoint, I think slow-rolling him back is a good idea. It sounds like it might irritate him and tilt him, and it further sounds like he's already angry with you; I doubt slow-rolling him would get him to either leave the game or play better. He's clearly horrible; it sounds like he left at least one bet on the table on the end there, so if slow-rolling him back will keep him from c/ring that river, I say go for it.

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<font color="red"> It sounds like it might irritate him and tilt him, </font>

This was kinda one of my questions. For any of you who slowroll; does it bother you when someone slowrolls you? I wouldn't think so, since you must be expecting this (even inviting it?), after having done it to someone.

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I dont get pissed about taht stuff either.
If slow rolling him, is more profitable, in your opinion, than not slow rolling him (due to tilt, constantly firing at you etc) then do it, otherwise, dont.

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This is the point. I'm not sure how he would react. I certainly wouldn't want to make someone who is good for the game uncomfortable in any manner. I guess I'm hoping to get responses from other people who slowroll and see how it effects them and their play when someone slowrolls back. Is it a game which you consider fun? Or do you find it just as annoying as most of the people you do it to seem to?

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Is there something wrong with me that this does not bother me in the least?

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It would make you go on tilt if you were normal.

PM Alan Schoonmaker, Ph.D. for ideas if you are looking for help. Just remember that recognizing you have a problem is the first step in finding a solution.

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While he's at it, do ya think Alan could help me become a little more visually and emotionally upset after getting aces get cracked? I have a real problem with that!

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I dont get pissed about taht stuff either.
If slow rolling him, is more profitable, in your opinion, than not slow rolling him (due to tilt, constantly firing at you etc) then do it, otherwise, dont.

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This is the point. I'm not sure how he would react. I certainly wouldn't want to make someone who is good for the game uncomfortable in any manner. I guess I'm hoping to get responses from other people who slowroll and see how it effects them and their play when someone slowrolls back. Is it a game which you consider fun? Or do you find it just as annoying as most of the people you do it to seem to?

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Im like tina and ike in live games, I like to do things nice and easy. If someone slow rolls me, and I know its with malice, Ill usually rag on him a little bit.
Ie. my patented "triumph the comic dog"-ish voice, and tell him he is a son of a bitch etc, lift my glass to him (I always have a manhattan at anytime I play, and use it as a "prop"), but keeping a smile on my face.

Now, if i get a chance to slow roll him, Ill do it, but Ill make sure to have a smile, tell him this is revenge etc (you get the point)

I remember once this old dude, that the whole table hated, because he kept yelling at the dealer did it to me at a 5/10 table, I did it back to him, (everyone realized what was going on), and held it for a really long time, the whole table was cracking up. It pissed him off vvv bad, btu the table was much more upbeat after that.

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I think you handled yourself well, and planning a retaliation would be below you.

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kill his first born.

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"this guy donates about 50k per year to the game . . . he thinks I'm lucky and win all the time."

This guy's twin brother was in my game last week and, as I was stacking up a pot, he complained to his neighbor that whenever he's in the game, I'm lucky.

His neighbor said "We're all lucky whenever you're in the game."

What I dislike about slowrollers is that they're deliberately trying to add insult to injury. It's just not a nice way to treat another person. So I never do it back. Just take your share of the 50K and enjoy it.

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I personally get offended and take it for what it is - a sign of disrespect.

The last time it happened to me a few months ago I said "You fuckn slowrolling me motherf***""?..... No man, no, I was just uh uh uh.."

I'm going to try and stop doing that now. You're right.

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You lose well, so, well... win well too.

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Slowrolling is bogus, i only slow roll my good friends cause it's funny. I don't get that angry when people slow roll me cause I have a good sense of humor and don't get too emotional (i used to). But to the average person It can be quite disturbing to the point that it makes someone leave. If you slow roll this guy I wouldn't be suprised if he just doesn't play with you anymore, i've seen it happen.

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Since losing players like this guy aren't earning money at the table, a lot of them need another form of motivation for playing.

Some guys get satisfaction from playing super tricky and occasionally pulling off succesful crazy plays, while others like to get under their opponents skin and piss them off, e.g. slowrollers.

You handled it right, your attitude is right. You take away this from the guy, you might take away his reason to play at all. After all, he's paying for the privelage to act like a douche.

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Since losing players like this guy aren't earning money at the table, a lot of them need another form of motivation for playing.

Some guys get satisfaction from playing super tricky and occasionally pulling off succesful crazy plays, while others like to get under their opponents skin and piss them off, e.g. slowrollers.


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IMO this is a great observation.