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Opponent is unknown but the table is generally passive.

I was going to fold the turn UI, but then when the board paired I thought I might be ahead of a worse T or busted draw.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

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Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 

I raise the Turn and fold to a 3 bet. I'm crap though.

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I raise this flop to get rid of one if he 3bets we call and seek to inprove the hand. If he bets out on the Turn he will have an A (if u dont have reads) and a fold would be in order.

When the board pairs A i would call it down.

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Perfect. Raising the turn can only scare away a worse hand. And yes even passive players bluff on a paired board.

EDIT: Rubbish. I thought it was heads-up on the turn.
Raise. OK. Back to work now.

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One point Dave brought up is that raising the flop might protect our backdoor flush, if we get something like the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to fold.

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what if an overcard comes up? we want this one overcard guys to fold so we protect the raised preflop pot. knock them out and get headsup.

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I just limp this pf.

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Given no read on original limper I don't raise this pf either.

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Sorry I didn't provide that read earlier, I've been focused on the postlfop.

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I raise this preflop if MP is at all loose.

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I raise this preflop if MP is at all loose.

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What if he's unknown?

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So raise the turn is the verdict?

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I raise this preflop if MP is at all loose.

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I don't like that idea all too much either.

Overestimating the weak offsuit connectors, or any weak connectors in general is what costs 6-max players a lot of money. The only reason I would find to raise that hand after 1 or more limpers is to buy the button. Seeing as how you already have it...

Raising anyone, particularly a loose player is bad. Taking a flop with this hand 4 handed with position is awesome.

The way you played this hand was wayyyy to passive.

The way I play it, I just call Pre-Flp, with that Flop I raise with the intention of calling a 3-bet( I haven't considered very much about waiting for the Turn, we could be behind and it's really bad to put in 2BB on the Turn to find out), folding the Turn UI. That's considering no reads and a generally passive table.

The way you played Pre-flop I definetely raise the Flop. The way you played the Flop I'm torn between Raising and Folding the Turn. The way you played it up to the River, I fold the River.

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Agreed for the biggest part.
Folding the river would be a big mistake though

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I would have limped PF. BUT since you raised, make a decision, either raise or fold this flop.
If you think you've got the villian beat, definitely raise. If you think you don't but are going to call anyway, definitely raise.
At this point (having raised PF), I'm making only one decision, am I raising the flop with the best hand or the second best hand.

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Agreed for the biggest part.
Folding the river would be a big mistake though

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Against a passive villian, It's not as big a mistake as you think.

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The way I play it, I just call Pre-Flp, with that Flop I raise with the intention of calling a 3-bet( I haven't considered very much about waiting for the Turn, we could be behind and it's really bad to put in 2BB on the Turn to find out), folding the Turn UI. That's considering no reads and a generally passive table.


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I think I would raise the flop here as well. It should help you narrow villian's hand selection, especially if you think he'll re-raise with an A. Better to find out while it's cheap.

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question for people raising this flop: are you betting the turn if you're not 3-bet on the flop? are you folding to a 3-bet or calling and folding the turn UI?

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question for people raising this flop: are you betting the turn if you're not 3-bet on the flop? are you folding to a 3-bet or calling and folding the turn UI?

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If he:

1) Calls the flop raise:

then checks the turned ace, I bet. If he calls the flop raise then bets the turned ace, I fold.

2) Re-raises the flop raise

I'd probably call a re-raise on the flop (mostly due to the part in SSHE about not folding to one bet on any street for fear of getting pushed around - that may apply more to B&amp;M situations though). Then when the turn A falls and MP bets out, I fold. The flop re-raise and the bet into the ace convince me.

With a brick on the turn, I probably still fold if bet into but may take the free card if checked to.

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