I hate getting put to the test...
 

Villian in this hand was laggy and aggressive, and i felt that he was little fired up from a previous hand i played against, which is here:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

This was two hands later i belive, so i don't think he needs a hand here. What is your action and why?






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Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, ...

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

if you hadnt reraised A3o, you wouldnt have this problem.
id lay it down on the turn.

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

This is true, but i always wouldn't have ended heads up against a button raiser who plays poorly post flop with hand that probably has positive equity against his range and gotten some dead money in the pot.

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

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if you hadnt reraised A3o, you wouldnt have this problem.
id lay it down on the turn.

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because you're supposed to do what with A3o in the SB vs a Lag? Flawless, you've seemed bitter of late. Trouble at home?

As for the hand, I think this is a fold, even vs. this guy.

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I question how positive your effective equity can be considering your opponent is aggressive and has the Button.

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with hand that probably has positive equity against his range

[/ QUOTE ]if even this was true (i kinda doubt it), you are still not allin here.
BTW/ i like your play on all streets in the first hand...

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By the way, i just wanted to make clear that i'm not soo in love with 3 betting this every time, i think this can be a hnad where i might be convinced otherwise, i don't people to think i'm not receptive about the preflop logic. After thinking about some more, i still like my 3 bet, but it's closer than i orgininally thought.

Gabe

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

I don't get that sense at all from your posts, fwiw. I find you one of the more open minded and improvement oriented posters on the forum. Plus, if you knew it was right then why would you post it? Right? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

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with hand that probably has positive equity against his range

[/ QUOTE ]if even this was true (i kinda doubt it), you are still not allin here.
BTW/ i like your play on all streets in the first hand...

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If Button raises top 50% of his hands...

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

12,410,779,392 games 19.480 secs 637,103,664 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 49.5896 % 45.97% 03.62% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q3s+, J5s+, T7s+,
98s, A2o+, K2o+, Q5o+, J8o+, T8o+ }
Hand 2: 50.4104 % 46.79% 03.62% { A4o }
</pre><hr />

Exactly the sort of edge you want to be pushing out of position against an aggro player likely to put you to the test on the turn... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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equity (%)
Hand 1: 49.5896 %
Hand 2: 50.4104 %


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This equity does not account for the blinds. For $125 he bought 50.4% of a $350 pot.

Still there is the problem of how to play the rest of the hand correctly, but on equity alone it's not as close as PS makes it appear.

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

Thank you for the kind words. What makes this situation interesting i know i can outplay this guy postflop, but his particular style makes this a bad spot to play a hand like this, so it's very difficult to discern where the line is here. I want to give some more time before i post the rest of the hand.

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

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This is true, but i always wouldn't have ended heads up against a button raiser who plays poorly post flop with hand that probably has positive equity against his range and gotten some dead money in the pot.

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A3o plays very poorly OOP postflop against a laggy player. Your slight positive equity and hopefully dead BB money are probably not enough to make up for this. Also, you're screwed when BB wakes up with a hand.

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I dont love the flop 3 bet here unless this guy is stealing &gt;50% of the time.

I don't think many people will like this play, but against this type of opponent with that hand I actually check call the turn here. I want to get to showdown, but not for three BB. He will bet this turn 100% so you are not losing anything. I actually check call any river (UI) as well. This plan has worked well for me in these very specific situations (both oppoennt and hand).

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I felt that there was a wide range of hands he would raise here that he would raise here, including a lot of bluffs and semibluffs. If i three bet here, i am compelled the bet the river. However, if i just called here, he might bluff the river sometimes as well.

Anyway, i decided to go with the bluff 3 bet. I figured i might actually have the best hand, he could deifnitly have something like KQ, K9, J9, etc... So i three bet, and he folded. I wonder what possible hand he could fold to the three bet, it must have been an absolute stone cold bluff.

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i 3bet this all day versus lag with a3, hes stealing with [censored] a lot of the time so this looks good

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What makes this situation interesting i know i can outplay this guy postflop

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This is what I'm not so sure about. He is aggressive and has the button. What can you really do to outplay him besides flopping a hand? And if you do flop one even a lag will be suspicious of an Ace after you 3-bet PF. I think you are the one that will end up being outplayed far more often. Look at what actually happened. Ambiguous flop and turn card, he raises you on the turn, and everyone's saying the correct play is to fold. Well, the correct play may be to fold, but there's no denying that the lag will have a worse hand than you here a significant amount of the time, even if it's not often enough to call down. Those times he does have a worse hand, it means he used his aggression and position to outplay you. I think scenarios like this are much more commonplace than you are foreseeing.

Re: I hate getting put to the test...
 

folds