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joker122 09-23-2005 03:21 AM

44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
i'm thinking just let it go?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?

wackjob 09-23-2005 03:22 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
Any read? I raise sometimes, fold sometimes, call sometimes.. all read dependant.

slik 09-23-2005 03:24 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
dont see any other option other than folding, especially with BB calling, too.

PokerBob 09-23-2005 03:24 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
if he is betting a flush draw you are ahead, but there are soooooo many cards that can come that cripple you. i think folding is ok, especially with bb in there.

SinCityGuy 09-23-2005 03:30 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
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if he is betting a flush draw you are ahead

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Not if the flush draw contains two cards greater than a 4. At any rate, this is an easy fold 3-way.

PokerBob 09-23-2005 03:34 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
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if he is betting a flush draw you are ahead

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Not if the flush draw contains two cards greater than a 4.

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well, hero is ahead but not a favorite. that's what i should have said, but i'm not very articulate. either way, ditch it.

MrBig30 09-23-2005 04:37 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
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dont see any other option other than folding, especially with BB calling, too.

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Yep. IF you are ahead (I think not) you are going to be drawn out most of the time. You only have 2 outs, one of which completes the FD. Time to fold.

mcvalenc 09-23-2005 05:50 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
I think the BB calling makes it a clear fold.

Poldi 09-23-2005 06:45 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
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I think the BB calling makes it a clear fold.

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Surfbullet 09-23-2005 09:32 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
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I think the BB calling makes it a clear fold.

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augie00 09-23-2005 10:45 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
"Just muck it kid."

-Noah Boeken

afk 09-23-2005 11:34 AM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
What do you do if BB folds instead of calling? These are the kinds of fairly basic situations I still feel uncomfortable with. Readless I'll usually fold but I'd like to see what other say.

mcvalenc 09-23-2005 12:03 PM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
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What do you do if BB folds instead of calling? These are the kinds of fairly basic situations I still feel uncomfortable with. Readless I'll usually fold but I'd like to see what other say.

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I'd fold anyways. Flush draws, OESDs and most gutshots have at least 10 outs against you. Even a flat out bluff usually has 6 outs. I think the pot's too small to hope that it's a non-made hand AND you don't get outdrawn by the river.

Lmn55d 09-23-2005 12:24 PM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
fold, even if you do have the best hand after the BB calls(unlikely), your equity is not particularly high.

slik 09-24-2005 11:40 PM

Re: 44 - how to deal with this flop bet
 
this is more complicated if BB folds. you cannot fold regularly here or else you'll simply be runover whenever you raise preflop and low cards come. this is really read dependent, but calling down to the river is the worst thing you can do against most opponents. if you're to continue you usually want to pop in a raise either on the flop or turn. but again, against tighter / predicatable players release on the flop, and pop the LAGs .. against the crazy LAGs, fold preflop.


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