AK
 

So I'm running really crappy lately. Really crappy. Not that that has anything to do with anything, but whatever.

Anyway, here's one.

UTG was loose and passive, but also showed random spaziness.

SB was unknown.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Anything particularly interesting?

What would you have done differently?

Re: AK
 

I'd raise the river and call a 3-bet at this level. If you have good reads, you could fold to the 3-bet.

Re: AK
 

Nice hand. I might consider raising the river, but since you can't really fold to a 3-bet based on your read of UTG, a smooth call is better.

Re: AK
 

why not raise the river when you've hit your backdoor flush? is there any real reason to believe he doesn't just have 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] with a pretty good kicker?

i say raise and call a 3-bet.

Re: AK
 

I don't get it, if you don't think you're King is good why call the turn bet and if you do why not raise the river? Am I missing something?

Re: AK
 

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I don't get it, if you don't think you're King is good why call the turn bet and if you do why not raise the river? Am I missing something?

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Are you good enough to fold to a 3 bet? Because that's what you need to be if you want to raise this river.

Re: AK
 

My only questions are:
Why did you raise the flop?(Get rid of Ace[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or what?)
Why did you call the turn if you wont raise river.

Re: AK
 

I would have called the flop with my 4,5 outs. Since we don't have a made hand there's nothing to protect.
Turn, you have to call and a raise for value doesn't make sense. River, possible value bet but it opens up for a re-raise which I would have to call.. I'm sure others will say you have to raise.

Re: AK
 

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I don't get it, if you don't think you're King is good why call the turn bet and if you do why not raise the river? Am I missing something?

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Are you good enough to fold to a 3 bet? Because that's what you need to be if you want to raise this river.

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Thats crazy. I raise and call a 3-bet.

Re: AK
 

I'm not sure I like the flop raise, in his random spaziness, will he bet hands like 87, 45, flush draws, gutshots?

the rest is good, river is close, since his play looks like a donked FD on the flop, and then betting his flush

Re: AK
 

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Are you good enough to fold to a 3 bet? Because that's what you need to be if you want to raise this river.

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Fold to a 3 bet? No way...calling seems obvious at that point? am I missing something?

Re: AK
 

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Are you good enough to fold to a 3 bet? Because that's what you need to be if you want to raise this river.

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Fold to a 3 bet? No way...calling seems obvious at that point? am I missing something?

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is he 3betting the Q or J?

Re: AK
 

Im new to fullt able and posting before reading any other responses, but Im raising the river without even thinking about it and probably calling a 3-bet.

Re: AK
 

I don't really get what the flop raise accomplishes. What were you planning to do if he checked the turn to you?

Re: AK
 

Isnt it a free card play? I almost always do that play with over cards or any type of draw.

Re: AK
 

I would have raised the river, called a 3-bet.

The only thing that would concern me is that since he is LP, and he's betting into me(the pre-flop raiser). I would be concerned about a set. I would have played a set this way hoping to get another raise from you on the turn.

Re: AK
 

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Im raising the river without even thinking about it

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this is a bad way to play poker

I still think that people in this thread are just blindly firing on this river, if you get 3bet are you ever winning? how often does this type of player get tricky with the Q? and what kind of hand range does he have when he leads back into you on the turn, and fires again on the river .. how do those hands react to the river raise? there is more to this than I have the 2nd nuts, let me throw in a ton of bets, if he has the nuts so be it.

Re: AK
 

what is with that flop raise?

























seriously, what's the deal?

Re: AK
 

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I don't really get what the flop raise accomplishes. What were you planning to do if he checked the turn to you?

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Check.

I'm getting 8:1 if I call, and I figured if I raised I might lose the SB and get a free card in the process.

I think raising is better than calling, so I raised.

Re: AK
 

How big does the pot have to be before you want to raise this flop?

Re: AK
 

I'd pop that river. The rest looks fine to me.
Would you have taken a freecard on the turn if you had the chance or would you have bet and take a free showdown UI?

Re: AK
 

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I don't get it, if you don't think you're King is good why call the turn bet and if you do why not raise the river? Am I missing something?

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Are you good enough to fold to a 3 bet? Because that's what you need to be if you want to raise this river.

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Thats crazy. I raise and call a 3-bet.

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seriously. anybody folding to a river 3 bet here, w/o a real good read, is crazy.

also, OP needs to raise this river, and I don't think it's close.

Re: AK
 

He said this earlier:

I don't really get what the flop raise accomplishes. What were you planning to do if he checked the turn to you?


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Check.

I'm getting 8:1 if I call, and I figured if I raised I might lose the SB and get a free card in the process.

I think raising is better than calling, so I raised.

Re: AK
 

I don't see a ton of strength from his preflop and flop calls. I'm putting him on medium pocket pair or two big overs with the possibility of him not pushing a set on the flop. I would raise the turn and call his 3 bet.

Call the river if he leads, and lead if he checks.

Did he end up showing AJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or something like that?

Re: AK
 

I don't think raising the turn is a good idea, simply because I think there's way too much of a chance that we're behind and there's no way he's folding any better hand.

He had A2, no diamond. (Which begs the question, what do I do if I don't catch on the river?)

Re: AK
 

With the 2nd nut flush I would raise/call the river. There's a small chance he was donking a flush draw the whole way, but even then, he could just have a smaller flush.

Re: AK
 

I see your side of it. Four to the flush (especially when it is a high card) has always been a thorn in my side.

If you miss the river, I still think you have to make a crying call as the pot is so big. I say that, but it would be hard for me to do.

I don't think you played this hand poorly.

Brian

Re: AK
 

I don't raise the flop. When played that way, I'll throw in a raise on the turn probably 60% of the time with that turn card. Given the action, I'm always raising the river. Versus a 3 bet, our equity is pretty low, but I doubt it's low enough to fold.

Re: AK
 

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He said this earlier:

I don't really get what the flop raise accomplishes. What were you planning to do if he checked the turn to you?


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Check.

I'm getting 8:1 if I call, and I figured if I raised I might lose the SB and get a free card in the process.

I think raising is better than calling, so I raised.

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Yes, I saw that later, but I didn't read the replies before I posted [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: AK
 

a loose passive leads this flop and you want to raise? what for?

pot size has nothing to do with it, and a larger pot would make me less inclined to raise, not more. i'm assuming you hit raise because you decided this was random spazziness, although i'm not sure what gave you that impression in this particular hand.

Re: AK
 

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a loose passive leads this flop and you want to raise? what for?

pot size has nothing to do with it, and a larger pot would make me less inclined to raise, not more. i'm assuming you hit raise because you decided this was random spazziness, although i'm not sure what gave you that impression in this particular hand.

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So then you're folding to the flop bet?

Re: AK
 

(1) i don't think you're getting a free card very often

(2) SB is unlikely to fold any serious draw here, and is more likely padding the pot than increasing the number of hands that beat you

(3) you're almost certainly behind, you might get 3-bet, and you don't exactly have great pot equity here to raise.

now, if you're defense was: "i'm raising because i've seen villain fold to aggression before" and you thought you were acquiring some fold equity here, i.e.: you thought you could get a better hand to fold unimproved, say, if a Q falls... then MAYBE, but you don't have a strong read on the villain. your raise sucks.

Re: AK
 

what? this is an easy call.

Re: AK
 

I disagree, but okay.

Re: AK
 

it's most likely villain has a pair and a draw, or a draw. either way, villain has outs against you. raising does nothing for you. repeat: nothing. you're trying to drive out the SB. WHAT does the SB potentially have, that they fold to your raise, that increases your chance of winning this pot.

you have a backdoor draw to the 2nd nut and the Two Big Overcards. I can't see how folding is correct here.

additionally, i don't think raising a blank turn would be a terrible idea.

Re: AK
 

Your argument doesn't make any sense dude.

Board: 9d 6h 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 39.4542 % 39.48% 00.00% { AsKd }
Hand 2: 41.9481 % 41.97% 00.00% { 8c7c }
Hand 3: 18.5977 % 18.61% 00.00% { QJo }

Board: 9d 6h 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 53.4184 % 53.42% 00.00% { AsKd }
Hand 2: 46.5816 % 46.58% 00.00% { 8c7c }


By getting the dude to fold a 6 outer, we go from 39% to 53% equity. This is significant if we feel like the flop bettor is on a draw. Now if he would only bet a pair on the flop then yes raising is pointless since you just charge yourself more. But we want that 3rd player to fold (who is always drawing live agianst us) if we do have the flop bettor beat.