I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Here's a hand where I was almost 100% certain I was drawing to two outs, but I used SSH's advice of not folding decent hands in large pots. Granted, I got way lucky to win this hand, but was I wrong to decide I'd call him down all the way once he bet the turn?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button folds.

Turn: (10.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

If you think I was wrong to decide to see this hand to the end, please let me know.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Looks fine to me. Granted you may well have sucked out on his AA or KK but this could be AT or AKs or JJ or JT or who knows what if he's loose plus the pot's definitely big enough to call down from the turn on even if you hadn't hit the Queen.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

What do you know about UTG+1? I don't see any problem with the way you played this.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

This is played fine. Villain could easily have an aggressively-played AT, or a smaller pocket pair where he was convinced you had AK.

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Any reads on villain?

With a strong overpair, the call down route after the flop action isn't terrible, although the turn wasn't a friendly card (since JJ now beats you).

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Would have been good to have some read on him. Is he aggressive, passive?

Based on his betting, when faced with his turn bet you are almost certainly beat, and don't have the odds to call his turn bet hoping to hit the queen. So you only stay in if you believe he is bluffing or is a maniac (who always bluffs, I suppose).

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This is played fine. Villain could easily have an aggressively-played AT, or a smaller pocket pair where he was convinced you had AK.

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Does villain raise, and then call the 3bet and cap preflop with either of those hands, though? I think hero's only chance is if villain is bluffing or stupid. We needed a read on him here.

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Based on his betting, when faced with his turn bet you are almost certainly beat, and don't have the odds to call his turn bet hoping to hit the queen. So you only stay in if you believe he is bluffing or is a maniac (who always bluffs, I suppose).

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You fold QQ here?

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Folding this hand at any time is wrong. You played it fine.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

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This is played fine. Villain could easily have an aggressively-played AT, or a smaller pocket pair where he was convinced you had AK.

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Does villain raise, and then call the 3bet and cap preflop with either of those hands, though?

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Sure, I see it all the time. Calling the cap doesn't surprise me either (villain didn't cap -- button did).


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I think hero's only chance is if villain is bluffing or stupid.

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I see this all the time too. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]


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We needed a read on him here.

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...and now we'll have one.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Sorry, no real read on this guy. We'd have to assume him to be the average low-limit Partier, which is why, at the turn, I'm feeling like a two-outer is my only bailout, cause AA, KK, JJ, etc., all have me beat.

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The only mistake I see is feeling bad after rather than jumping for joy. Don't worry, you'll get sucked out on enough to make up for it. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Looking to fold big hands is not the trademark of a winning player.

Or something like that.

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Based on his betting, when faced with his turn bet you are almost certainly beat, and don't have the odds to call his turn bet hoping to hit the queen. So you only stay in if you believe he is bluffing or is a maniac (who always bluffs, I suppose).

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You fold QQ here?

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Sigh, no, I don't fold it. I play it anyway, even though I'm sure I've lost it.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Perhaps a raise on the turn for info. purposes? If he raises you know you're beat(?).
Sorry if this sounds dumb, just trying to look at it from a slightly different angle.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

Maybe I get a pass for calling this down because of the softness of the competition at this limit....I just played another hand betting top-pair-6-kicker, and after my opponent's river call I'm sure I got caught being cute and I'm beat, but he shows middle pair and I take a 10BB pot. Go figure

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

W/o reads, this hand was fine, i would actually cap this flop, and then if he leads the turn call down. Dont feel bad, if u cracked his AA so what, it'll happen 1/5 times, and im sure its happened to you. NH

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The only mistake I see is feeling bad after rather than jumping for joy. Don't worry, you'll get sucked out on enough to make up for it. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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AMEN.

Re: I got lucky and I feel bad
 

That's the whole point of value betting. With loose players you're going to get called down a lot with 2nd and 3rd pair.

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Perhaps a raise on the turn for info. purposes? If he raises you know you're beat(?).

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What more information do you want that you're beat? A semi-bluff raise on the turn isn't going to fold a hand that beats you and you don't have a reasonable amount of outs to improve.

I hate to say that I call this down like a chump too, even though UTG+1 is holding up a big neon sign that says "I have AA/KK/TT!"