Turn action
 

Canterbury 30/60 (9 handed)
UTG (huge fish) limps, another limper, guy who is running absurdly hot raises, SB (is a gambler...does some weird stuff, but I haven't seen him go competley insane yet.) calls, I call in the BB with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], limpers call.

Flop (5 players): Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, limper folds, PFR'er calls, SB calls.


Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, PFRer calls, SB raises , I.......

Re: Turn action
 

Call and pair the river.

Re: Turn action
 

threebet PF
threebet turn quick.

Re: Turn action
 

[ QUOTE ]
threebet PF
threebet turn quick.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agree about 3 bet turn quick. I almost always just call here preflop though, especially when the limpers are bad and know they wont fold for two more. I also like to be able checkraise decent flops in this spot rather than lead out after a three bet. I guess I could be pursuaded that raising is a good alternative, wouldnt mind hearing why you like a raise.

Re: Turn action
 

[ QUOTE ]
threebet PF


[/ QUOTE ]

Sometimes yes sometimes no. I'm not sure I'm giving up all that much by calling, and there was no way I was limiting this field.

Re: Turn action
 

3 betting pre-flop is dumb.

Re: Turn action
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
threebet PF
threebet turn quick.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agree about 3 bet turn quick. I almost always just call here preflop though, especially when the limpers are bad and know they wont fold for two more. I also like to be able checkraise decent flops in this spot rather than lead out after a three bet. I guess I could be pursuaded that raising is a good alternative, wouldnt mind hearing why you like a raise.

[/ QUOTE ]from the OP...
[ QUOTE ]
UTG (huge fish) limps, another limper, guy who is running absurdly hot raises, SB (is a gambler...does some weird stuff, but I haven't seen him go competley insane yet.) calls,

[/ QUOTE ]i just see four bad hands here.
if the flop comes J64 id rather already have the lead and bet the flop... i feel like this allows me to win more when ahead and keeps ppl pure so i can get off when i get raised...
besides, if these guys have A6,33,and T7s then i want more money to go into the pot.

Re: Turn action
 

I also call with 99 in the BB with 5 players in if I'm not limiting the field. Are you sure a 3-bet won't cause any limpers to fold? If you are then fine. If not, 3-bet.

I 3-bet the turn. There's not many hands that beat you here and 3-betting will find out soon enough.

Re: Turn action
 

[ QUOTE ]
3 betting pre-flop is dumb.

[/ QUOTE ]

Re: Turn action
 

i call the turn. To checkraise the whole field, when that card brought in 2 double gutters and 3 of the 9's are accounted for, I think he has kj or j8 about 90% of the time. Sure you want to shut out the rest of the field unelss the guy has specificly q10 or bottom set whatever that was but I think your behind way to much here to 3 bet.

Re: Turn action
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
3 betting pre-flop is dumb.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

Re: Turn action
 

[ QUOTE ]
i call the turn. To checkraise the whole field, when that card brought in 2 double gutters and 3 of the 9's are accounted for, I think he has kj or j8 about 90% of the time. Sure you want to shut out the rest of the field unelss the guy has specificly q10 or bottom set whatever that was but I think your behind way to much here to 3 bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

SB is a gambler, he could have KQ or Qx (TP or two pair or a pair /w draw or less likely a draw or even less likely a set). All hero have represented thus far is top pair. He could very well be check-raised by many hands that he could beat. as for check raising the whole field, it's quite irrelavent since they have all just been calling.

- Kenny

Re: Turn action
 

I put the SB on QT just as often as I put him on KJ here...

you call and check/call on the river, unless another straight card/flush card hits, then you probably have to dump it.

However, your flop play is a little suspect. I check to the pre-flop raiser, who will more than likely bet, then you can make it two bets to the SB. If he is on a draw, he will more than likely lay it down - if he doesn't, you're giving him the wrong odds to continue.

This was a perfect example of not being able to protect your hand with a bet, so taking a small risk and going for the CR is the right play here, IMO.

Re: Turn action
 

I say in live poker especialy at canterbury park, especialy in the biggest game in the room where the guy prolly isnt that comfortable, that he has a straight at least 90% of the time....See if I'm right I guess...Online I would prolly be just as inclined to 3 bet as the rest of you. I might not, but I might.

results
 

Canterbury 30/60 (9 handed)
UTG (huge fish) limps, another limper, guy who is running absurdly hot raises, SB (is a gambler...does some weird stuff, but I haven't seen him go competley insane yet.) calls, I call in the BB with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], limpers call.

Flop (5 players): Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, limper folds, PFR'er calls, SB calls.


Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, PFRer calls, SB raises , I 3-bet. I tend to assume the worst in these spots, but with 2 guys left to act behind me and the board so draw heavy, i felt i needed to protect my hand. if i'm behind, i still have outs. The raise folded the other 2 guys out, and SB called.

River: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, SB folds. odd.

Re: Turn action
 

PREFLOP: standard, FLOP: Standard. TURN: You must 3 bet this. I know theres a good chance that the small blind has a straight, but he may just have two pair, and the main reason you must 3 bet the turn is to force any gutshot behind you to fold the times your hand still is best. This pot is large, and protecting your hand on the turn is more important than worrying about whether you are ahead or not.

Re: results
 

[ QUOTE ]
Canterbury 30/60 (9 handed)
UTG (huge fish) limps, another limper, guy who is running absurdly hot raises, SB (is a gambler...does some weird stuff, but I haven't seen him go competley insane yet.) calls, I call in the BB with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], limpers call.

Flop (5 players): Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, limper folds, PFR'er calls, SB calls.


Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, PFRer calls, SB raises , I 3-bet. I tend to assume the worst in these spots, but with 2 guys left to act behind me and the board so draw heavy, i felt i needed to protect my hand. if i'm behind, i still have outs. The raise folded the other 2 guys out, and SB called.

River: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, SB folds. odd.

[/ QUOTE ]
You played your hand perfectly on every street. Looks like the SB had 109, that seems like a hand he may checkraise the turn on and fold on that river card.

Re: results
 

wrong again...big suprise...

Re: results
 

[ QUOTE ]
wrong again...big suprise...

[/ QUOTE ]

meh...you're rarely wrong.

Re: results
 

[ QUOTE ]
wrong again...big suprise...

[/ QUOTE ]
In multi-way pots there are many scenario's where its more important to make the right play than the right read. I too mightve put my opponent on a straight, But you still must raise to protect your hand for all those times your read is wrong.

Re: results
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
wrong again...big suprise...

[/ QUOTE ]
In multi-way pots there are many scenario's where its more important to make the right play than the right read. I too mightve put my opponent on a straight, But you still must raise to protect your hand for all those times your read is wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly. I said call, but I think you're right here. You must 3-bet the turn.

I still believe he should've check-raised the flop...