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Chaostracize 09-18-2005 05:22 PM

I know I\'m weak. 109
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t900)
BB (t2680)
UTG (t1805)
MP (t1695)
Hero (t2415)
Button (t505)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t300</font>, MP folds, Hero folds.

09-18-2005 05:25 PM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
I think folding here is fine. I can't vehemently disagree with the you are weak part though (no offence) considering the QQ fold in your other post, blech.

Chaostracize 09-18-2005 05:30 PM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
Heh.

Sabrazack 09-18-2005 05:55 PM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
Does a minraise really mean a monster so often in the 109:s that you can fold AQ here? Im not going to comment, since i don't know the answer to that. But im not folding in a 20+2 tour, thats for sure.

09-18-2005 06:04 PM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
Of course you can fold AQ here, why not?

It's not that the miniraise is a monster but rather that AQ is far from being a monster itself.

09-18-2005 06:28 PM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
Wow. I have no idea if you're loose or tight based on your posts. Guess that's a compliment.

Like someone else said, I don't fold this at my pathetically low stakes (I push against chronic minraisers and call against others), but I understand the fold. Nh.

Newt_Buggs 09-19-2005 12:07 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
you can call me passive instead of weak when I say that I would probably call. 300 chips with position and a decent hand isn't a very bad deal.

applejuicekid 09-19-2005 12:25 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
These min raises are annoying. If he raises to 350 I think I'm folding, but a min raise seems so weak I want to push here. I think folding is fine though.

octaveshift 09-19-2005 12:26 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t900)
BB (t2680)
UTG (t1805)
MP (t1695)
Hero (t2415)
Button (t505)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t300</font>, MP folds, Hero folds.

[/ QUOTE ]

You should call this. Why are you afraid to play poker?


[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Chaostracize 09-19-2005 12:28 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
Because I am bad. Haha, Calling never crossed my mind.

viennagreen 09-19-2005 01:09 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
i think that you should play the 55s for a while. the same decisions that you've been posting will present themselves there, and you'll learn at a discount.

Chaostracize 09-19-2005 01:34 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
I don't want discounts. I want to lose my money now. I appreciate your concern, but I come for strategy and that is all.

viennagreen 09-19-2005 01:50 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
sorry--- i didn't mean to offend... just offering advice.

Chaostracize 09-19-2005 02:04 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
No prob [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Elektrik 09-19-2005 05:16 AM

Re: I know I\'m weak. 109
 
[ QUOTE ]
It's not that the miniraise is a monster but rather that AQ is far from being a monster itself.

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What makes AQ the monster or not depends on who the OP is, but I like your thinking.

[ QUOTE ]
These min raises are annoying. If he raises to 350 I think I'm folding...

[/ QUOTE ]

Unless you have a specific read, this shouldn't matter.

[ QUOTE ]
Does a minraise really mean a monster so often in the 109:s that you can fold AQ here?

[/ QUOTE ]

With some players yes, with others no. I'm leaning more towards "yes" on a random player at the 109's, "no" from someone from the 22's. It'd be helpful to have a read, because this kind of thing is VERY player dependent.

[ QUOTE ]
You should call this. Why are you afraid to play poker?

[/ QUOTE ]

For many reasons, the most pertinent one being that you cannot really play poker when OP has 1/6 of his stack in the middle. Got a plan if he open pushes on any flop into that fairly juicy pot? And why would he check, but to slowplay....or maybe he does just suck? And an UTG min raise - are you sure your Q is even good? Are you starting to see the problems here? Maybe if he had a bigger stack behind I'd call, but...not there.

My advice? It's a tricky spot, and a push/fold situation IMO. The minraise is either scary or great, depending on if your OP is a habitual minraiser. My default play is to fold unless he's shown me otherwise why I shouldn't - even one minraise earlier might change this to a push.


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