88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

Party 3/6, it has been a somewhat passive and semi-loose table. CO-1 has Posted $3 + $1.

UTG (24/12/2.8) I limp with 88, UTG+1 Raises, all fold back to me.

The pot is offering 5-1. Who calls and who folds?

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

Raise 88 UTG at 3/6. You have a really easy call after you limp.

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

you cant fold here, a lot of people will say raise instead of limp, i go either way, but this is a very very easy call

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

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you cant fold here, a lot of people will say raise instead of limp, i go either way, but this is a very very easy call

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Call I did, the flop came QJ4 rainbow and I'm OOP.

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

i probly c/r and see what happens from there

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

Easy call.

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

Right, that's certainly a bad flop. You should probably check and fold. But folding preflop would have been an egregious error.

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

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Raise 88 UTG at 3/6.

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i probly c/r and see what happens from there

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I thought about a check raise, but this guy likes to press his position I and expected a 3-bet.

While my AF runs about 5ish, I didn't think going to war with two overcards to my middle pair and a PFR'er with half way decent standards.

Sounds like there are mixed feelings on this one.

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

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i probly c/r and see what happens from there

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Right, that's certainly a bad flop. You should probably check and fold. But folding preflop would have been an egregious error.

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I'm a lot closer to check-fold or check-call/re-evaluate than check-raise on this flop.

-d

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

this is a joke, right?

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

Even if you physically saw pocket aces sitting in front of UTG+1, you should call this preflop. 88 is not a 5:1 preflop underdog to any hand.

As for the flop play, I'm in the check/call & reevaluate on the turn camp. Although villain certainly seems aggressive enough to fire again on the turn with AK unimproved, so this plan might not work too well.

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

Look. If you were going to hesitate calling ONE raise, why did you limp in the first place? In general, if we're in EP, common sense tells us, 'Don't limp openers where we're gonna unhappy about calling a single raise. If the openers are THAT weak, FOLD.'

This varies from game to game, of course. Just finished playing a profitable 5/10 session where every single hand included a pre-flop raise. Usually willing to limp 77s or 88s from EP. But in this game, I moved the starting requirements up to 99s because, w/o a doubt, the lower pairs were gonna cost me $10, not just $5.

IMHO In loose, passive games with very few PF raises, we can limp all the way down to deuces. The risk/reward ratio is great because the payoffs are huge when we hit the set. Most importantly, they don't cost too much to play. Either hit or fold.

My two cents.

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i probly c/r and see what happens from there

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c/ring this flop is really bad. this is a check/fold.

Re: 88 UTG - Party 3/6
 

I generally will either fold or raise 88 UTG for this reason,

BUT

After you decided to limp and then got raised into a heads up pot, i would have limped reraised, depending on your opponent, then if it gets 4 bet i check fold the flop, if he calls me only i lead out and go from there.

This is a great opportunity to mix up your play and i can garuntee the only thing that is going through his mind when this happens is

Oh [censored]!

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After you decided to limp and then got raised into a heads up pot, i would have limped reraised, depending on your opponent, then if it gets 4 bet i check fold the flop, if he calls me only i lead out and go from there.

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About the only time that I use the LRR move is with medium pocket pairs from EP. But I don't think this is the time to do it.

Obviously, when you limp/reraise, people automatically think AA-KK/AK. That means that you could actually send your (lone) opponent into calldown mode with a better pocket pair than your eights. He could similarly decide to just call down with a hand like AQ on a Qxx (or even Axx) flop. This sets you up to lose extra bets postflop with a marginal hand. It also sets you up to win fewer bets when you actually do get a good flop, as your opponent is less likely to peel (or autobet when checked to) with overcards. And we won't even go into the times when you flop a set and he decides to just fold his AJs.

I prefer a LRR move when you openlimp from EP, there are either 1 or 2 players who limp behind, and the raise then comes from one of the blinds. This way, you force the two limpers to call 2 more cold (although many small stakes opponents will, anyway), and you have position on the preflop raiser after the flop.