You Republicans Better Pray For Another Attack
 

Or maybe Bin Laden could help you with another pre-election video in November '06.

http://people-press.org/reports/disp...3?ReportID=257

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Not all doom and gloom for the republicans.

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Overall, most registered voters (57%) say they would like to see their representative in Congress reelected in 2006

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I suspect the democrats are going to end up disapointed in 2006. Not becuase they won't pick up seats, they just won't meet their grandiose expectations. I can already hear the whining.

Stu

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Grey forgets that you don't have to prop up your popularity in an off-election year.

In 2003, the same things were being said about Bush as now. "Record low approval ratings" etc. But he saved his coordinated publicity campaign for 2004.

Of course, the liberal media is anti-Bush year in and year out, so when you aren't actively broadcasting your message, the drip drip of negativity tends to drag your polls down. But its only temporary.

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In 2003, the same things were being said about Bush as now. "Record low approval ratings" etc.

[/ QUOTE ]Absolutely 100% incorrect. No one was saying this.

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I suspect the democrats are going to end up disapointed in 2006. Not becuase they won't pick up seats, they just won't meet their grandiose expectations. I can already hear the whining.

[/ QUOTE ]What grandiose expectations?

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In 2003, the same things were being said about Bush as now. "Record low approval ratings" etc.

[/ QUOTE ]Absolutely 100% incorrect. No one was saying this.

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Here are a couple Zogby poll summaries from September 2003:

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5775

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5773

Here are a couple Zogby poll summaries from August 2003:

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5577

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5574

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5528

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I can already hear the whining.

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You can hear it too? Then again, I always thought BGC was a whiny-little girl.

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Of course, the liberal media is anti-Bush year in and year out, so when you aren't actively broadcasting your message, the drip drip of negativity tends to drag your polls down.

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Wahhhh! Boo-hoo! Those right-wingers, shedding so many tears about the 'biased' media coverage they get. Maybe some day you gals on the right will find your binki and special blanket, and quit whining about the imagined biases and persecution you're just 'certain' the right is subjected too. I doubt it, though, because you'll always have the right-wing noise machine screaming that your crib really might have monsters under it after all.

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In 2003, the same things were being said about Bush as now. "Record low approval ratings" etc.

[/ QUOTE ]Absolutely 100% incorrect. No one was saying this.

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Here are a couple Zogby poll summaries from September 2003:

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5775

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5773

Here are a couple Zogby poll summaries from August 2003:

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5577

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5574

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=5528

[/ QUOTE ]Nowhere in any one of those links do the words "record" or "lowest" appear even once.

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Nowhere in any one of those links do the words "record" or "lowest" appear even once.

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They say instead:

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In Panic Mode

Voters Bored With Bush - Vote To Re-elect Bush? Well... No Thanks

Like father, like son: Bush's approval rating now at pre-9/11 levels

Bush hits rough patch, popularity declines

Two polls released Thursday and Friday show President George Bush's popularity sinking.

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And that just from a random search of August and September, I haven't looked for the absolute low point of Bush's popularity. I'm sure I could find worse. You can do it too, just search on the number at the end of the URL, they are all in chronological order.

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I haven't looked for the absolute low point of Bush's popularity. I'm sure I could find worse. You can do it too, just search on the number at the end of the URL, they are all in chronological order.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not going to do research to try and back up your false claims.

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I notice you avoided discussing my point: that there is nothing unusual in low poll numbers after relentless negativity in the media without a PR counter-campaign, and there is no need for a counter campaign in this off-election year.

Next year there will be a campaign for the mid-term elections, and the poll numbers will bounce right back.

Do you concede the point? or are you saying that the snapshot this week will determine the rest of the Presidency? [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I notice you avoided discussing my point:

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that there is nothing unusual in low poll numbers after relentless negativity in the media without a PR counter-campaign, and there is no need for a counter campaign in this off-election year.

[/ QUOTE ]First, I recommend you read this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...382870-4411819

But I'd bet my life savings that you won't.

Second, the Bush Administration is currently in full campaign mode, led by Karl Rove- something admitted to and commented on by many top Republicans, who you can see on any of a number of television news channels these past weeks.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ko&amp;l...+mode&amp;sa=N

So it would appear that another of your assertions is 100% incorrect. That tends to happen when you come to these conclusions sans any evidence whatsoever.

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Next year there will be a campaign for the mid-term elections, and the poll numbers will bounce right back.

[/ QUOTE ]Do all Republicans think in binary? It's either capitalism or communism- good or evil- approved of or disapproved of.

Fact is that Bush's drop is a 5-year long-term trend that shows no signs ending. The cognitive disconnect you're showing here just astounds me. Polls have also been done recently showing that Bush would lose to every modern President in an election- even Jimmy Carter. Your guy is toast. He will go down in history as an absolute failure- a [censored] moron who put his pride, comfort, and friends ahead of the country.

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Do you concede the point? or are you saying that the snapshot this week will determine the rest of the Presidency? [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]Do you concede my point, or do you disagree that hundreds of snapshots taken in context of each other show you something more than a single snapshot? [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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What grandiose expectations?

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So you don't expect democrats to do extremely well in the midterm elections? I guess there is no need for republicans to pray for a another attack afterall. This is turning out to be another useless Grey thread.

Stu

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Do you concede my point, or do you disagree that hundreds of snapshots taken in context of each other show you something more than a single snapshot?

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Look at your graph from 051404 to 111504. Your graph is evidence that Bush's poll numbers increase when he is out campaigning and decrease when he is not campaigning. You've just made BGC's point.

Stu

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Wahhhh! Boo-hoo! Those right-wingers, shedding so many tears about the 'biased' media coverage they get. Maybe some day you gals on the right will find your binki and special blanket, and quit whining about the imagined biases and persecution you're just 'certain' the right is subjected too. I doubt it, though, because you'll always have the right-wing noise machine screaming that your crib really might have monsters under it after all.


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The media has gotten a lot better over the last few years. I guess the sqeaky wheel gets the oil.

Stu

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So you don't expect democrats to do extremely well in the midterm elections? I guess there is no need for republicans to pray for a another attack afterall. This is turning out to be another useless Grey thread.

Stu

[/ QUOTE ]I asked you a question. What grandiose expectations? What is your definition of that term, and where are you seeing its prominence among Democrats?

Without that information, the term is as vague and useless as your post.

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Look at your graph from 051404 to 111504. Your graph is evidence that Bush's poll numbers increase when he is out campaigning and decrease when he is not campaigning. You've just made BGC's point.

[/ QUOTE ]No I certainly did not. BGC says his numbers will "bounce right back". While it's true that spending a few hundred million dollars on advertising can give a temporary boost of a few points, there's no way the overall trend can be reversed, especially as time goes on, and there's no way in [censored] hell that Bush approaches a 50% approval rating by November '06.

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Actually, I think I could make some money at this. Would anyone care to take bets on what Bush's approval rating will be in November '06?

BGC? If over half of the November approval polls on this page have Bush at 48% or over, you win. If not, I win.

How much are you up for?

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How about 46%? How low do I have to go to get some action around here?

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What grandiose expectations? What is your definition of that term,

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By grandiose I mean characterized by absurd exaggeration. The title of this thread "You Republicans Better Pray For Another Attack" is clearly an absurd exaggeration which describes your expectation of the midterm elections.

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and where are you seeing its prominence among Democrats?

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For that answer go look in the mirror.

Stu

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Describe the grandiose expectation. Is it gaining 10 seats?

And please provide evidence that I have expectations equal to your yet undefined grandiose expectations.

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Actually, I think I could make some money at this. Would anyone care to take bets on what Bush's approval rating will be in November '06?

BGC? If over half of the November approval polls on this page have Bush at 48% or over, you win. If not, I win.

How much are you up for?

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The goal of the election is to win. We should not look at poll numbers (which will vary by polling firm) in November 2006, but at election results.

How about if the GOP keeps both the Senate and the House?

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there's no way the overall trend can be reversed, especially as time goes on, and there's no way in [censored] hell


I think I could make some money at this. Would anyone care to take bets on what Bush's approval rating will be in November '06?


How about 46%? How low do I have to go to get some action around here?


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Give me 10 to 1 and I will bet you $100. Those seem to be pretty reasonable odds for an outcome which you describe as having no chance in hell.

Stu

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The goal of the election is to win. We should not look at poll numbers in November 2006, but at election results.

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How about if the GOP keeps both the Senate and the House?

[/ QUOTE ]That's where you set the bar? At the Republicans losing 5 Senate seats and 15 House seats?

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Give me 10 to 1 and I will bet you $100. Those seem to be pretty reasonable odds for an outcome which you describe as having no chance in hell.

Stu

[/ QUOTE ]Gosh you sure are tricky with your selective quoting. I said no way in hell at 50%.

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That's where you set the bar? At the Republicans losing 5 Senate seats?

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A mere 3 years ago the Democrats were in control of the Senate. How quickly we forget.

I guess you have little confidence in your team. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I guess you have little confidence in your team. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]Between you and I, I'm the only one who expects their team to gain seats in '06. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

In '08 Reps will be defending many more seats than Democrats. That's when I expect to see the grown-up party take charge again.

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And please provide evidence that I have expectations equal to your yet undefined grandiose expectations.

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I've already made my argument in this regard. I never expected you to accept it. I made it for the benefit of the other readers in this thread. There really isn't anything left to discuss here.

Stu

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I've already made my argument in this regard. I never expected you to accept it. I made it for the benefit of the other readers in this thread. There really isn't anything left to discuss here.

Stu

[/ QUOTE ]No, you quibbled around the issue. Define a grandiose expectation.

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Gosh you sure are tricky with your selective quoting. I said no way in hell at 50%.

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The point was you said there was no way in hell the trend would reverse itself. You were so sure you started to offer 48% and then almost immeadiately 46%. Now that someone has shown some interest your waffling nature reveals itself.

Stu

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You were so sure you started to offer 48% and then almost immeadiately 46%. Now that someone has shown some interest your waffling nature reveals itself.

Stu

[/ QUOTE ]10-1 odds does not show interest. It shows fear.

How low would it have to be for 1-1 odds? You name it.

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Grey you orginally said

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If over half of the November approval polls on this page have Bush at 48% or over, you win. If not, I win.

How much are you up for?


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and then you said

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10-1 odds does not show interest. It shows fear.

How low would it have to be for 1-1 odds? You name it.

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I agree to your bet. I wager $100 and I choose Bush's approval rating to be at or above 30%

Stu

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It was a question. I asked you what it would have to be to take 1-1 odds- meaning you would go no higher.

You really put the over/under at 30%? That's horrible. What do you expect him to do, shoot an immigrant in his backyard?

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It was a question. I asked you what it would have to be to take 1-1 odds- meaning you would go no higher.


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I hope your not attempting to waffle your way out of this bet. It wasn't a question it was clearly an offer and if you meant I could go no higher you would have specified that.

Come November you can transfer me my $100 bucks via pokerstars.

Stu

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My statements are followed by question marks now?

Also where did I anywhere mention a hundred dollars?

You sound plenty scared to me.

How low would the percentage have to be to accept a 1-1 of a hundred dollars? Would it have to be 30%?

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"... Better Pray For Another Attack"

regardless of politcal reasons, your subject title is horrible

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I wager $100 and I choose Bush's approval rating to be at or above 30%


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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

30%?!?!? That's what you believe? You would not bet at even odds that Bush would have even a 31% approval rating by Nov. 06?

Well, hell, then I'll bet you $200 at even odds that Bush WILL be above 31%. Since you must believe you'd be getting the best of it, I eagerly await your acceptance.

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My statements are followed by question marks now?

You sound plenty scared to me.


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For whatever reason you did not want to give me odds on a $100 bet you were sure was a lock. Instead you said I could name the precentage point on an even money bet and I did. Not more than five minutes pass and your already waffling like Kerry.

Stu

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For whatever reason you did not want to give me odds on a $100 bet you were sure was a lock.

[/ QUOTE ]I said 50% was a lock. How much money and what odds do you want for 50%?[ QUOTE ]
Instead you said I could name the precentage point on an even money bet and I did.

[/ QUOTE ]Yep, and I didn't say that I would take it.

30%

Jeez, even I don't think he'll get that low.

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Well, hell, then I'll bet you $200 at even odds that Bush WILL be above 31%. Since you must believe you'd be getting the best of it, I eagerly await your acceptance.

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I must decline as my bankroll for betting on politics is all tied up in a bet I have with Grey. If your looking for some action I suggest you contact Grey as well. He seemed very eager to find some "takers ".

Stu

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I must decline as my bankroll for betting on politics is all tied up in a bet I have with Grey.

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What a surprise. It's sad that the policies of your boy Bush have so depressed your economic condition that you can't even take advantage of profitable wagering opportunities. Or maybe you just suck at gambling and have lost your roll.