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Paxosmotic 09-14-2005 05:29 PM

Micro-Limits Heads Up League - Interest check
 
-Credit for the idea goes to the University of Virginia and Fresno State (UC Davis)-

Here's what me and a few ML regulars have been bouncing off each other on AIM. Who's in?

It's the Micro-Limits Heads Up League (!!!, woo!, yeah!), which is staggering similar to college football. Everyone that frequents Micros is welcome to join. The league will consist of heads up matches between anyone who wants to play. I will rank all players based on a pretty simple and generic formula which takes into account strength of schedule and your win percentage. I'll post the rankings every Sunday, and we can spend the rest of the week playing matches and trash talking. All matches will be a 25BB freezeout on Stars .02/.04 unless the two parties agree otherwise. If you want to spend all month playing a 400BB freezeout at .5/1 for a single match, that's between the two of you.

Here's the schedule we're looking at:

-From now until September 30th, we take signups for the league.
-From October 1st until December 31st, anyone in the league can challenge anyone else in the league. Want to play the same person 33 times? Fine. Want to play 4 matches in 3 months? Fine.
-After December 31st, we'll seed up bowl games based on how everyone finishes the regular season and have final matches for pride.

So far the response on AIM has been hugely enthusiastic, and we've got two people dedicated to administering this league and making sure nothing gets missed. I'll post more information and details later, if the demand is high enough. I hope it is. My question to Micros is : who's interested?

Rev. Good Will 09-14-2005 05:32 PM

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nice, i'm looking foward to it.

I just hope apathy doesn't take over like it did for CHUMP

gharp 09-14-2005 05:32 PM

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My question to Micros is : who's interested?

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Me.

Vote4Pedro 09-14-2005 05:33 PM

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I guess I'll join

Paxosmotic 09-14-2005 05:34 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
I just hope apathy doesn't take over like it did for CHUMP

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I know where every last one of you live, I will [censored] hunt you down. I promise you, the two of us who are heading this up are very enthusiastic and will see it through. If individual people decide to drop out during it, or someone wants to join, we can bend not break to take care of anything. The train keeps a rollin baby.

Russ McGinley 09-14-2005 05:40 PM

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Yes.

POKhER 09-14-2005 05:43 PM

Re: Micro-Limits Heads Up League - Interest check
 
Sounds fun! I'm up for .02/.04 heads up.
HU play sucks lol, but amusing.

deception5 09-14-2005 05:56 PM

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I'm definitely looking to work on my heads up play, sign me up.

TredWel 09-14-2005 06:04 PM

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I need to work on my HU play. I'm in.

@bsolute_luck 09-14-2005 06:13 PM

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what does 25BB freezeout mean? and basically whomever i'm up against, we set a date during the week to play 1 match?

to answer the question: yes, i'm interested [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
i just want to make sure i'm able to make the "matches" or whatever schedule there is.

El Tigre 09-14-2005 06:14 PM

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don't know if i count as a "frequent visitor," but if u guys allow, im in. AIM: OUSooners617

Russ McGinley 09-14-2005 06:16 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
what does 25BB freezeout mean?

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You and I sit down with 25BB. When I take your 50 cents, the match is over. You can't add more money.

SavageMiser 09-14-2005 06:17 PM

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Sign me up.

deception5 09-14-2005 06:17 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
what does 25BB freezeout mean? and basically whomever i'm up against, we set a date during the week to play 1 match?


[/ QUOTE ]

Believe this means both players sit with 25BB and play till one runs out of money.

@bsolute_luck 09-14-2005 06:19 PM

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ah. thnx.

lautzutao 09-14-2005 06:21 PM

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The heads-up experience in and of itself is reason enough to piss away my hard earned pennies...as long as the time is reasonable, I'm game.

AIM: Lautzutao

MrWookie47 09-14-2005 06:24 PM

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I'll be in, but as the other poster said, I dread the apathy that came after two weeks of CHUMP. That's why I was in favor of a HU one day tourney on Stars.

Paxosmotic 09-14-2005 06:26 PM

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I'll be in, but as the other poster said, I dread the apathy that came after two weeks of CHUMP. That's why I was in favor of a HU one day tourney on Stars.

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I got you covered Boobs McBoobalot, don't worry.

CourtJester 09-14-2005 06:48 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
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My question to Micros is : who's interested?

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Me.

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macdaddy991 09-14-2005 06:55 PM

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Ill play

chiachu 09-14-2005 07:18 PM

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sounds like fun, im in

Walker 09-14-2005 07:31 PM

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Sign me up

Aaron W. 09-14-2005 08:00 PM

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-After December 31st, we'll seed up bowl games based on how everyone finishes the regular season and have final matches for pride.

[/ QUOTE ]

How are you going to do this?

Also, CHUMP fell apart because you had to wait for someone else to schedule matches. This format works better because you can just sit down and do it whenever you happen to catch somebody online.

What sites allow .02/.04 HU matches? I might be up for this.

Paxosmotic 09-14-2005 08:04 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
-After December 31st, we'll seed up bowl games based on how everyone finishes the regular season and have final matches for pride.

[/ QUOTE ]

How are you going to do this?

Also, CHUMP fell apart because you had to wait for someone else to schedule matches. This format works better because you can just sit down and do it whenever you happen to catch somebody online.

What sites allow .02/.04 HU matches? I might be up for this.

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Stars is the only site I know of. No rake, either, that's a big plus.

The bowl games will be decided arbitrarily. The championship bowl will be the predictable 1 vs 2 matchup. The rest will be based on the rankings, but if two people have already met during the regular season, or if there's a particularly interesting pairing, we'll set that up. For example, it could end up being:

1 vs 2
3 vs 5
4 vs 9
6 vs 8

Something like that. Just like the real bowl games.

Aaron W. 09-14-2005 08:15 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
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What sites allow .02/.04 HU matches? I might be up for this.

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Stars is the only site I know of. No rake, either, that's a big plus.


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So... I have to find my way to opening another poker account, eh? Maybe...

Vote4Pedro 09-14-2005 08:38 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
So... I have to find my way to opening another poker account, eh? Maybe...

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As a bonus you'll be able to play in the Kiddie Pool II tournament

Eeegah 09-14-2005 08:56 PM

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I'm in, but only if I can play naked.

Weatherhead03 09-14-2005 08:57 PM

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I want in.

Paxosmotic 09-14-2005 09:01 PM

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I'm in, but only if I can play naked.

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I'll put you down as Eeegah + 1.

I count 20 'teams' so far, not bad at all. Still a lot of ML regulars that I'm hoping will stop by and join in.

BatsShadow 09-14-2005 09:26 PM

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I have to think more about if I want to do this, but this is just to note that the start of this doesn't mean you last few CHUMP stragglers don't have to finish....

I WANT MY WINNINGS!!!!

Nfinity 09-14-2005 09:34 PM

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I'm down.

JKetzer 09-14-2005 09:48 PM

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I'm up for it.

David04 09-14-2005 09:58 PM

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Sign me up.

DavidC 09-14-2005 10:14 PM

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I'm in.

OOC, why not work the ratings just like chess ratings?

I don't so much care about the league aspect of this, but I'm looking to play some HU, and Oct would be a great month for this.

--Dave.

Eeegah 09-14-2005 10:25 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
OOC, why not work the ratings just like chess ratings?

[/ QUOTE ]

As in ELO ratings? We probably won't get enough participants for that to be particularly useful, but I can take a look and see if we can do something like that. While naked, of course.

DavidC 09-14-2005 10:27 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
OOC, why not work the ratings just like chess ratings?

[/ QUOTE ]

As in ELO ratings? We probably won't get enough participants for that to be particularly useful, but I can take a look and see if we can do something like that. While naked, of course.

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Of course. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Paxosmotic 09-14-2005 10:39 PM

Re: Micro-Limits Heads Up League - Interest check
 
In keeping with the spirit of the college football such and such, me and Kurt decided ELO was a no go. The way we're going to do it is much simpler and is easily updatable. I'll explain

Everyone is input into a spreadsheet in EXCEL. Column A is your name, B is your wins, C is your losses, and D is your win percentage. Column E is where it gets fresh. Column E, for those of you who use excel, would look something like '=average(d3,d7,d6)' That would give you the average win percentages of the players in D3, D7, and D6. Your opponents. Then column F would be '=average(e3,e7,e6)' That gives you your opponent's opponent's win %. Those are then all averaged together with '=average(d1,d1,d1,d1,e1,e1,f1)', meaning your rating is based on 4 times your win %, 2 times your strength of schedule, and 1 times your opponent's strength of schedule.

It sounds ridiculous, but it is 1) incredibly easy to maintain, and 2) very accurate. During last year's college football season I used the same spreadsheet and found it to be frighteningly correct. It takes a few games to converge, but that's life.

Edit : Anyone (let's face it, just Eeegah) who wants to do ELO ratings can, and we'll find a way to work them in, but the basis for this is going to be the ranking system.

Brain 09-14-2005 11:09 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
In keeping with the spirit of the college football such and such, me and Kurt decided ELO was a no go. The way we're going to do it is much simpler and is easily updatable. I'll explain

Everyone is input into a spreadsheet in EXCEL. Column A is your name, B is your wins, C is your losses, and D is your win percentage. Column E is where it gets fresh. Column E, for those of you who use excel, would look something like '=average(d3,d7,d6)' That would give you the average win percentages of the players in D3, D7, and D6. Your opponents. Then column F would be '=average(e3,e7,e6)' That gives you your opponent's opponent's win %. Those are then all averaged together with '=average(d1,d1,d1,d1,e1,e1,f1)', meaning your rating is based on 4 times your win %, 2 times your strength of schedule, and 1 times your opponent's strength of schedule.

It sounds ridiculous, but it is 1) incredibly easy to maintain, and 2) very accurate. During last year's college football season I used the same spreadsheet and found it to be frighteningly correct. It takes a few games to converge, but that's life.

Edit : Anyone (let's face it, just Eeegah) who wants to do ELO ratings can, and we'll find a way to work them in, but the basis for this is going to be the ranking system.

[/ QUOTE ]

*coughBCSsuckscough* [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Vote4Pedro 09-14-2005 11:16 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
*coughBCSsuckscough*

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey...atleast we left out the "Length of Match" category...

Hmmm...the more I think about it, the better it sounds

09-14-2005 11:27 PM

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Count me in for this. My AIM name is igotsthechedda.

Don't laugh at the IM name, it is an inside joke. :-|


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