109 - Puking with AK
 

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MP2 (t1045)
MP3 (t820)
CO (t1225)
Hero (t1030)
SB (t645)
BB (t1537)
UTG (t1120)
UTG+1 (t870)
MP1 (t1708)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t60</font>, UTG+1 calls t60, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t30.

Flop: (t255) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t95</font>, UTG+1 calls t95, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t290</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t700</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1340

I have seen Ice_Cr3am a lot, and I think she at least knows what she's doing, probably a winning player. Also, this reraise by her left her with 170 chips behind.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

I think you're seeing 88 a lot of the time here, and if she was able to put a move on you with AQ (or worse, for that matter) so be it.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

ohhh

good chance trips are there.

I wonder how many other 109ers lay this down here?

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

The raise was only 2BB, so a whole variety of hands could have been in there. 88 is quite likely. AK or AQ is a possibility too. If the player you are speaking of is that good, and knows how you will play that sort of hand, it would force you to think that you are behind. Pay attention in the future to see how that player plays sets. Tough fold.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

If you only "think" she knows what she's doing and she's "probably" a winning player I call. If you are sure of the above things though then she probably has AA, KK, AK, 88 or maybe 55 and folding is good.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

fold. there is about a 5% chance you are ahead. IF that. easy fold. holla

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

Fold. Incidentally, do you play a set here like villain did (I assume)? If I were villain and I knew hero's hand, I'dve raised the original bet because this gives hero a much tougher decision and may give me a clear double up. Is this play still correct if we give UTG and hero a reasonable range of hands?

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

very good laydown (nice raise btw...i liked that part too).

screaming a set here.

flop - "oooh, sweet a set!"
utg leads - "ahh, nice....some action from EP - let me just smooth call this most perfect of boards...boowaaaaahh"
hero raises - "BINGO!! FISH ON!! GET THE NET!!!"

mrs. sweet-set(hmmm, i wonder) is playing no other hand this way IMO

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

I don't know if I could ever have a strong enough read to put her on the set there and lay this down. Drawless board makes it much scarier.

There's a pretty good chance that you made the correct play, but I don't think that I could have folded. Then again, the highest that I play is the 33s.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

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<font color="red"> UTG+1 calls t95 </font> , Hero raises to t290... <font color="red"> UTG+1 raises to t700 </font> , Hero folds.



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pwned [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I wish I could make laydowns like this.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

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flop - "oooh, sweet a set!"
utg leads - "ahh, nice....some action from EP - let me just smooth call this most perfect of boards...boowaaaaahh"
hero raises - "BINGO!! FISH ON!! GET THE NET!!!"

mrs. sweet-set(hmmm, i wonder) is playing no other hand this way IMO

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That's pretty much exactly my thinking for the hand.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

Wow. Everyone (including Raptor!) is advocating you to fold TPTK... And I agree with them.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

Boy that was a really dumb call/reraise.

PS: Nice outcome, but next time, don't raise the flop unless you smell that rat.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

hmm, cant agree with 95%. I good player just called a min raise in utg+1 with AA 95% of the time, or limped behind a raise in early position with 55? The only hands that make sense here are 88, AK, AQs and maybe AJs depending on the player. No way does she have 88 95% of the time. Still a fold, but it's closer than you are implying.

Steve

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

Is min-raising a low PP from UTG normal at the 109s?

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

To be fair, my read that she's a good player is not certain, and only based on the fact that I see her a lot, and I haven't noted anything particularily donkish about her. Most of the truly aweful players come and go very quickly, or get noted. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I think you'll see 55 here a lot, and I also think it's very reasonable to call an UTG min raise with 55, in fact, I would love to have 55 in that spot.

I think AK is possible, but AQ and AJ are almost definitely not possible. Her reraise left her with 170 chips. Unless she's a REALLY good player, she won't do this with a margainal holding.

I also think there's a small chance AA is there, only because superdonks like to limp/call/play AA passively.

Also, I think that there's a small chance of A8 or A5, but, if that were the case, she most certainly is not a winning player.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

Nice laydown. I wish I could say I'd make a similar laydown, but I don't know that I would. It's just so easy to hit "call" there without thinking it through deeply like you did. It's POSSIBLE she has something like AQ or AK, but more likely a set for sure. Well played.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

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ohhh

good chance trips are there.

I wonder how many other 109ers lay this down here?

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i sure do

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

I think its a nice fold but of course its much closer than most people are saying. There are some crazy people out there, and I would never expect to be ahead only 5% of the time. But okay, I still like it against the type of player you mentioned.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

i think the mistake on this hand was not re-raising preflop. i realize it was early, but you had no way of telling where you were at after the flop. if they hit da set after a reraise so be it, but given the preflop action, i think you let someone in cheap.

nice laydown. its early and some could make an arguement for laying this down preflop at this stage.

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

Laying down AK PF to a min raise here?

Not likely man. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Re: 109 - Puking with AK
 

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nice laydown. its early and some could make an arguement for laying this down preflop at this stage.

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Can you please articulate the argument for laying down AK to a min-raise early in an SNG? I'm in the mood to be entertained.