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StacysMom 09-14-2005 12:19 AM

Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 2, 2.
UTG calls, Hero calls, 5 folds, SB raises, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7, J, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls, BB raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, SB folds, BB caps, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) Q (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, Hero...

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

I was planning on raising the turn with the initial call. Got so much action on the flop that i figured I was against J7/JJ/77/Club draw.

Both villians are SLAGs.

Bodhi 09-14-2005 12:58 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
Beautiful flop slowplay, but now you need to raise the turn. Isn't 12.5BB enough to let go of pretensions?

The river makes me want to puke.

09-14-2005 06:53 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
I would fold this preflop every time, unless in most loose and passive table in history.

I think the flop slowplay was fine, but I would raise the river.

Nick Royale 09-14-2005 07:03 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
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I would fold this preflop every time, unless in most loose and passive table in history.

I think the flop slowplay was fine, but I would raise the river.

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When playing 3/6 I call this every time. At 10/20 i don't know...

Nick Royale 09-14-2005 07:07 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
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Both villians are SLAGs.

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I would raise the turn and call down if 3-betted.

09-14-2005 07:12 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
Since we pretty much only play 22 to catch a set, we are loosing money when we end up playing against for example 2 people in a raised pot.
We are probably making money, due to implied odds, when against at least 3 people in an unraised pot.

I just find that the pots are raised so often that I fold the hand. I mainly play 5/10 at Party and Pacific, but I dont think its that much tighter than 3/6. I could be wrong though :-)

Nick Royale 09-14-2005 07:17 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
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Since we pretty much only play 22 to catch a set, we are loosing money when we end up playing against for example 2 people in a raised pot.
We are probably making money, due to implied odds, when against at least 3 people in an unraised pot.

I just find that the pots are raised so often that I fold the hand. I mainly play 5/10 at Party and Pacific, but I dont think its that much tighter than 3/6. I could be wrong though :-)

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I put a lot of work on my table selection when playing 3/6, most often at least 4 players with vpip>30. At these table I think the limp is easy. With 2 limpers we won't get exposed for isolation nearly as often as if we had open limped.

ErrantNight 09-14-2005 08:19 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
i'm assuming the board was rainbow, or something, and flushes weren't involved? still, you played this like a pansy...

raise the flop! they're lags, for chrissakes... why must they have a better hand when they're betting/raising? just because you're too afraid to do so?

ErrantNight 09-14-2005 08:20 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
why does the river make you want to puke? what makes you think anyone has a freakin' 7?

brettbrettr 09-14-2005 10:29 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
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I would fold this preflop every time, unless in most loose and passive table in history.

I think the flop slowplay was fine, but I would raise the river.

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When playing 3/6 I call this every time. At 10/20 i don't know...

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Game conditions, not stakes, should determine whether or not you play this hand. Seems an easy call to me.

brettbrettr 09-14-2005 10:31 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
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Both villians are SLAGs.

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Get Jiggy on the turn, please. If you said they were TAGs I'd say just about the same thing.

09-14-2005 10:34 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
a lone 7 isn't enough...

hobbsmann 09-14-2005 10:42 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
CC the river you will have the best hand here enough for your call to be profitable. I also agree with everybody else that this turn needs to be raised. As for limping 22 Brett is right that this is game dependent and not limit dependent and given one limper I limp along with 22 pretty much everytime.

StacysMom 09-14-2005 11:56 AM

Re: Scared with Flopped Ser PP10/20 (X post)
 
Thanks for the advice. Although I dont appreciate the stupid/retard comments. I know this hand was poorly played, as I don't post the ones I know I played well.

I don't see how people have objections to limping 22 after a limper. No limper, I fold this. But if there is another limper it seems easy to get odds as limping encourages limping.

I was planning to raise the turn, but the action on the flop scared the chit out of me. Either one of them could have held JJ/77/J7. I figured they both couldn't be betting clubs, and one of em was gripping one of those 3 hands.

Putting them on these hands is the reason I didnt raise the turn, as JJ/77 come back over me.

General consensious seems to be these fears where unfounded. Am I the only one who gets scared on that flop action? If so, it won't happen again.


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