Slow Down, You Move Too Fast . . .
 

A limper or two, a raise from an unknown, and I call from the big blind with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Flop comes with a King. Checked around to the pre-flop raiser. He bets, I check raise. Everyone else clears out and he 3 bets. I decide to call and call down.

Turn is a blank. He bets and I call. But he doesn't quite bet. He reached for his chips, he broke his stack, but he doesn't quite get them in before my chips are in.

He asks me if I bet. I say I checked, I was calling your bet. He says, slow down, I'm a no-limit player, I'm not used to guys playing this fast. He laughs, we all laugh, and he puts his bet in.

The river is another blank and I check-call again, this time being respectful.

So a few hands later the guy gets involved with another opponent. Same thing happens on the turn: his opponents checks, he starts to bet, and the other guy's chips beat his into the pot. He looks at me and says, "Wow, it wasn't just you."

Turns out he lost both hands and went to the no-limit game. As he racks up (which didn't take long), someone asks him where he's going.

He says, "No Limit. Got to make the morning last."

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wow, this post makes me feel...groovy [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You have the third-best avatar ever. And I like your writing style.

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"A limper or two"?

Pay attention next time and maybe you will have better results. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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i don't get it

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You need to listen to some Simon & Garfunkel.

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Oddly enough, last time I played at Trump in Chicago, a 50 year old guy kept singing "Uhhh, I like it like that, she working that back, I don't know how to act,
Slow motion for me, slow motion for me, Slow motion for me, move in slow motion for me" every time he won a pot.

In fact, it was awhile ago, he might have just done it at random intervals.

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niiiiiice

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i don't get it

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I guess this particular lamppost doesn't know much about S&G.

hehe.

-RMJ

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Oddly enough, last time I played at Trump in Chicago, a 50 year old guy kept singing "Uhhh, I like it like that, she working that back, I don't know how to act,
Slow motion for me, slow motion for me, Slow motion for me, move in slow motion for me" every time he won a pot.

In fact, it was awhile ago, he might have just done it at random intervals.

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Juvinile. did he also say "back dat azz up"?

i bet it was a black man.

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I assume he looked like one of these two juvenile delinquents?

[img]http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Simon+%26+Garfunkle/v=2/SID=e/TID=I001_70/l=IVS/SIG=11mqv7ipg/EXP=1126787313/*-http%3A//www.rexojunkies.com/sng.jpg[/img]

I am a rock, I am an island.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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Stolen from Matusow singing to Phil Gordon in 2001 WSOP ME.

But.

Still.
Nice/hand.

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"The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)
( Simon & Garfunkel )

Slow down, you move too fast
You've got to make the morning last
Just kickin' down the cobble stones
Looking for fun and feelin' groovy!
(La,la,la,la,la,la, feelin' groovy)

Hello, lamp post, whatcha knowing?
I've come to watch your flowers growing
Ain't ya got no rhymes for me?
Doot-in' doo-doo, feelin' groovy!
(La,la,la,la,la,la, feelin' groovy)

Got no deeds to do, no promises to keep
I'm dappled and drowsy and ready to sleep
Let the morning time drop all its petals on me
Life, I love you, all is groovy!
(La,la,la,la,la,la, feelin' groovy)
(La,la,la,la,la,la, feelin' groovy)
"

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Stolen from Matusow singing to Phil Gordon in 2001 WSOP ME.

But.

Still.
Nice/hand.

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It was Hellmuth.

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You're too young. I should have posted this on the over-50 forum.

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Good story Andy! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Even when playing limit, perhaps because down deep I'm an overly careful nit, I've never (OK, virtually never [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) reached for my chips to call until my opponent has completely released his chips. Maybe I take protecting myself against angle shooters (and not giving off reaching tells) a little too seriously. But now I play more no limit, and you really do need to be careful. Here's an example:

A couple years ago a well-known angle shooter (WNAS) is playing one of the small fixed buy NL games. On the river he takes one stack ($100) of chips and pushes it into the pot while keeping his hand almost on top of his stack. His opponent pushes out a matching stack immediately. WNAS pulls back his stack while claiming he didn't release his chips. Two or three witnessess (including me) vouch that he took his hand off the stack, albeit barely. WNAS grabs his $100 bet and runs out the door when the floor was about to make the decision that his chips play. (As an aside, WNAS was barred and the house compensated the other player for his lost bet.)

WNAS is a huge loser and the doesn't mind loosing ten to twenty buy-ins as long as he can shoot one angle. Don't let him angle you since I've seen him play 40/80 at the Commerce (but perhaps not days).

~ Rick

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I got it and I'm under 50

Now, was it real or just a good joke?

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Seems to me there are fewer angle shooters around these days, at least in my game. Most of them, like your villain, were losing players, so perhaps their money has dried up or they've moved to smaller games or elsewhere. But your point is a good one. There are often six or seven "regulars" or semi-regulars in the game and we know each other as honorable people. Last time I played two of these regulars were in a hand and one guy made a motion to bet and, same as the situation in the original post, the other guy called before he even got the chips out of his hand. Even though he could have said he didn't bet, because he hasn't really made a foward motion, he did indeed make the bet and then mucked.

Here's an exception: hand is head-up and I make trip kings on the turn: I have K-Q and the board is A-K-K-x. I bet first to act and my opponent calls. It is obvious to me and everyone in the cardroom he has an Ace. On the river I intend to bet again and I take the chips in my hand and hold them up waiting for the river card to come. It comes an Ace. So instead of betting I lower my arm to the table, with the chips in my hands, and tap the table twice to check. My opponent insists it's a bet. I've played with him quite a bit and I'm genuinely shocked. He knew my intention was to check. I ask him if he really is going to insist I put in the chips. He says yes. I put them in and, of course, he raises. I fold and I actually left the casino in anger, the only time I remember being angry in a card game in a long, long time. (This happened perhaps a year and a half ago.) A few days later, I apologized to him for my petulance, but, of course, he didn't apologize for doing the wrong thing. There are still some guys who are jerks either on or just below the surface, but, as I say, the amount of angle-shooting seems to me to have diminished over the last few years.

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A little of both.

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I guess this particular lamppost doesn't know much about S&G.


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Are they coming out with a new poker book this summer?

Or doesn't the poster play online tourneys? :P

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I assume he looked like one of these two juvenile delinquents?



I am a rock, I am an island.

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punch him. see if he feels any pain.

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i can't believe you appologised, [censored] that guy what a dick. there is no reason to ever talk to a player like that again.
dave

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That is a bet whether he released the chips or not.

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I did say a few words in anger to him. I told him that if I was out of line, I was sorry.

I do get a warm fuzzy feeling now when he's running bad.

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Yeah, that's probably why he ran out the door.

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Seems to me there are fewer angle shooters around these days, at least in my game.

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Try playing no limit, especially the fixed buy-in games. It's not so much the angle shooting, but the continuing impropriety, especially the third party speculation regarding what people hold. It's like watching a constant audition for Norman Chad or Mike Sexton's job. But I guess impropriety and good games go hand in hand.



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Here's an exception: hand is head-up and I make trip kings on the turn: I have K-Q and the board is A-K-K-x. I bet first to act and my opponent calls. It is obvious to me and everyone in the cardroom he has an Ace. On the river I intend to bet again and I take the chips in my hand and hold them up waiting for the river card to come.

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Slightly off-topic. Do you think holding your chips as if ready to auto-bet gives away your hand to a certain degree? I realize the fast thinking top-notch players (I'm not fast thinking and second-notch so I don't do this) will give off reverse tells.

~ Rick


PS Once again, good story (sub-story?). You seem more prolific (and a better writer) than Stephen King these days.

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That is a bet whether he released the chips or not.

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Not necessarily in no limit although rules and rulings seem to differ between cardrooms.

From the no limit section of Robert's Rules of Poker. Most LA Cardroom rules are based in large part on Ciaffone's work.

"5. A wager is not binding until the chips are actually released into the pot, unless the player has made a verbal statement of action."

Regards,

Rick

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"Do you think holding your chips as if ready to auto-bet gives away your hand to a certain degree?"

Yes. If memory serves, I had very few chips left at that point, so that probably accounted for a portion of my sour mood. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

The few times I have played the fixed buy-in no limit games, my observation matches yours: there are too many announcer/analysts during play.

feelin\' groovy (nmg)
 

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