straight-flush draw flop...family pot
 

25+2 turbo -
Seat 1: (565 in chips)
Seat 2: (2785 in chips)
<font color="blue">bluefeet (1050 in chips) </font>
Seat 4: (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: (1935 in chips)
Seat 6: (1365 in chips)
Seat 7: (2795 in chips)
Seat 8: (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: (15 in chips)
Seat 2: posts small blind 15
bluefeet: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluefeet [Jh 9h]
1 fold
Seat 5: calls 30
Seat 6: calls 30
1 fold
Seat 8: calls 30
Seat 9: calls 15 and is all-in
Seat 1: calls 30
Seat 2: calls 15
bluefeet: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h Th Ks] .......pot=195
Seat 2: checks
bluefeet: checks
Seat 5: bets 60
2 folds
Seat 1: calls 60
1 fold
<font color="blue">bluefeet: ?????</font>

Re: straight-flush draw flop...family pot
 

Call. No point in raising (you don't want a reraise) and folding would be moronic [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I call here too

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Pot is sooooooooo small. Call.

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Call. No point in raising (you don't want a reraise)

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Why doesn't he want a reraise? I'd love to be all-in on this flop. You're a favorite to improve to at least a straight.

Call is reasonable, but I see nothing wrong with a modest raise here.

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and folding would be moronic [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Agreed there.

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While being allin is a favorable situation, I think that calling is the best option for 2 reasons:

1) Less risk when you do not hit
2) Possibly more action when you do. Calling here encourages others to call as well, which is what you want. You have two more streets to get all your chips in.

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Call. No point in raising (you don't want a reraise)

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You're a favorite to improve to at least a straight.

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There is a whole tourny left in front of you. Just call.

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Calling here encourages others to call as well, which is what you want.

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Ya except he's last to act here.

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i wouldnt mind a reraise here, im willing to put all my chips in, but i just call, cuz theres no reason to steal this small pot, i want these people putting more money in later

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i wouldnt mind a reraise here, im willing to put all my chips in, but i just call, cuz theres no reason to steal this small pot, i want these people putting more money in later

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Why not a small raise that you expect everyone to call? Sweeten the pot when you're in a very favorable position.

Re: straight-flush draw flop...family pot
 

Becuase the blinds are 15/30.

You have t1050.

If you miss, you lose.

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I think what finch is getting at is that this is a favorable situation, and being all-in on the flop will produce good results in the long run.

I also see your side, and I agree. You can reduce the risk of losing this tournament while calling and still have the benefit of getting all-in once you hit on a later street since the pot is getting juicy.

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i disagree that you'll get more action when you hit--- especially if you hit the flush... the straight, maybe-- people pay a straight off more often than a flush.

i like sweetening the pot here--- it doesn't have to be a big raise... and there's no fear of a reraise, so...

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While it's a great drawing hand, I dont think its a "jizz all over myself trying to get my chips in" hand. At this point, you have J high with a draw to the non-nut straight and non-nut flush that is susceptible to redraws if it gets there on the turn.

I like a call here.

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I think what finch is getting at is that this is a favorable situation, and being all-in on the flop will produce good results in the long run.

I also see your side, and I agree. You can reduce the risk of losing this tournament while calling and still have the benefit of getting all-in once you hit on a later street since the pot is getting juicy.

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Actually my argument is neither of these. What I'm getting at is, make a small raise to build a bigger pot, hoping to keep most everyone in. If I get reraised, fine -- I push. I'm not afraid of getting all-in here. But ideally everyone will just call, and I'll have a much bigger pot to push into on later streets if I do hit.

As a bonus, if the pot is bigger, my push is more likely to be called when I do hit.

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i disagree that you'll get more action when you hit--- especially if you hit the flush... the straight, maybe-- people pay a straight off more often than a flush.

i like sweetening the pot here--- it doesn't have to be a big raise... and there's no fear of a reraise, so...

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Exactly.

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While it's a great drawing hand, I dont think its a "jizz all over myself trying to get my chips in" hand. At this point, you have J high with a draw to the non-nut straight and non-nut flush that is susceptible to redraws if it gets there on the turn.

I like a call here.

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Actually you are drawing to the nut straight on one end (the 7, not the Q). You're right about the flush, but if you use 2 cards in a flush, the odds of someone else also having a flush are &lt; 1% here. You can pretty much assume that if you hit either big draw, you have the best hand (unless the board pairs). The times when you lose are roughly made up for by the times you hit successive jacks, nines, etc.

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Actually you are drawing to the nut straight

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I realized this was partially true after I posted. Hitting the 7 makes the nuts, the Q does not, although it's difficult to imagine AJ staying in for any heavy action.

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I think we should both proofread better. Meh.

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Actually you are drawing to the nut straight

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I realized this was partially true after I posted. Hitting the 7 makes the nuts, the Q does not, although it's difficult to imagine AJ staying in for any heavy action.

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Yep. And you hold a J, making AJ less likely. If you get all in and lose to a gutshot -- that's poker.

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I think we should both proofread better. Meh.

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Hah I edit like 75% of my posts 5 seconds after posting them hehe.

Holla.

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Call. No point in raising (you don't want a reraise) and folding would be moronic [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Re: straight-flush draw flop...family pot
 

You need a bigger pot to increase your chances of getting paid if you hit. You don't mind going all-in. Raise. (Basically, whatever Atticus said).