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For the past 3 weeks I have been taking shots at the 40/80 game at oceans 11. The game has been pretty good, with several weak spots, but nothing completely insane. Yesterday, however, one player decided to drink a lot and play all his hands. The interesting thing is he is a very nice, personable gentleman, whose charisma inspired another player to do the same. Then another. Pretty soon everyone at the table was a LAG and had overs buttons (if you don't know what these are, they make the bets doubled when only players with overs are left in the pot). It was actually physically dangerous not to play overs, as the players would each throw the yellow buttons at anyone who didn't have them.

Anyway, on to the hand. I am dealt black 8's on the button. UTG straddles. There are 4 callers to me, and I 3bet. One of the blinds calls, the straddler caps it (as he did so he explained he hadn't yet looked at his cards). 7 of us to the flop as overs take effect.

The flop comes Ts 8h 3s. The straddler bets, callers to me, I raise, straddler 3bets, race for more callers, I cap it. 5 of us see the turn.

Turn is 2h (Ts 8h 3s). Straddler now looks at his cards, gets excited, and bets. This time only 2 players called, and I raised it. They all called around. 4 to the river.

River Ks. Checked to me, I bet, straddler checkraises, 2 folds, I call. Straddler shows KK for the largest pot I have ever seen, and I die a little.

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Sick. Good bad beat story. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah, man well-written story. Man, does that suck!

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What's the reasoning in 3 betting 88 with 4 cc? I see little value in that.

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You don't think I have an equity edge against 4 players playing any 2 cards? None of them raised a straddle, they didn't have anything good at all.

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I don't think I've EVER won one of these hands, where there's maniacs and I flop a huge hand and figure to win the pot of the week. Protect my hand, build an even bigger pot, in position, OOP, whatever. I'm never dragging that pot. God, the buildup is fun though, huh? On the other hand, I've raked in plenty of pots when I donk it up at lower limits, straddle, blind bet and raise etc to the river, only to find my under-gut has gotten there against AA and a flopped set. LOL. Maybe I need to do this when I'm playing "seriously".

Good post

Leon

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That is SICK.

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Seriously, $2,700 pot. At least everyone was having fun, and I hope you stayed till all the LAGs left.

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Seriously, $2,700 pot. At least everyone was having fun, and I hope you stayed till all the LAGs left.

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You forgot the "overs" buttons that kicked in for the flop bets and beyond. This was more like a $4700 pot. Sick.

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Seriously, $2,700 pot. At least everyone was having fun, and I hope you stayed till all the LAGs left.

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You forgot the "overs" buttons that kicked in for the flop bets and beyond. This was more like a $4700 pot. Sick.

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WTF? So everyone in that hand had overs?

I'm not exactly sure how these work. Wouldn't this then be the same as playing 80/160?

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Yes and no. The overs dont kick in until the flop, so you basically have a 80/160 game with a mini blind structure; assuming everyone has a button. The overs only kicks in on betting rounds (not pf) that start with all active players with buttons.

When I was activated in 2003, I played at Oceans 11 20/40 with overs and I can attest that it seriously makes the games juicier.

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River Ks. Checked to me, I bet, straddler checkraises, 2 folds, I call.

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wtf!?

How could you just call here?

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River Ks. Checked to me, I bet, straddler checkraises, 2 folds, I call.

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wtf!?

How could you just call here?

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River is also a spade.

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I don't understand how just calling could be that large a mistake. The flush draw got there and he got check-rasied, also there are two higher cards (set-over-set, however unlikely, the guys hadn't looked at his cards though...).

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Seriously, $2,700 pot. At least everyone was having fun, and I hope you stayed till all the LAGs left.

[/ QUOTE ]this pot was almost twice this big.

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I share your talent of running bad whenever I take a shot at a big game. It really blows and may be something to consider before I sneak into the 1/2 at Commerce.

I also play at Oceans from time to time and am now wondering who you are?

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my heart just sank with you.

this game makes you cry sometimes.

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The straddler did look at his cards early, BTW. That said, you gotta love any game with overs, and this one sounds like a great one. I may have to make a trip down south...

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The straddler did look at his cards early, BTW. That said, you gotta love any game with overs, and this one sounds like a great one. I may have to make a trip down south...

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what makes you think the straddler looked early?

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if you're taking a shot you shouldn't be playing in a game with 7 way capped pots (though this really depends on a lot of things, so depending on your situation it could be completely wrong) and 3-betting 5 people with 88. that's a good way to go broke fast

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You don't think I have an equity edge against 4 players playing any 2 cards? None of them raised a straddle, they didn't have anything good at all.

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sure you do. but it doesn't mean you have to do it. when you're taking a shot you should not be playing the same as you do in your regular game. you should be avoiding situations with huge variance and not much expectation like 3-betting 5 players with 88. it seems like you're only investing 1 SB, but the straddler capped without looking, so all of a sudden it's a 28 SB pot, which will cause you to have to either call with very little postflop or take extreme measures to protect your hand postflop.

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I think that if every street is getting capped then you probably just want to call and hope to hit a set. But if it's not too aggressive postflop and everyone is coming in with any then I think a raise is ok.

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Experience.

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You don't think I have an equity edge against 4 players playing any 2 cards? None of them raised a straddle, they didn't have anything good at all.

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sure you do. but it doesn't mean you have to do it. when you're taking a shot you should not be playing the same as you do in your regular game. you should be avoiding situations with huge variance and not much expectation like 3-betting 5 players with 88. it seems like you're only investing 1 SB, but the straddler capped without looking, so all of a sudden it's a 28 SB pot, which will cause you to have to either call with very little postflop or take extreme measures to protect your hand postflop.

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Bah humbug. If you're playing high enough that variance is scaring you out of taking advantage of such clearly +EV spots, you should just move down.

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when you're taking a shot you should not be playing the same as you do in your regular game.

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That can translate into scared money and playing with it is the worst thing a good player taking a shot can do.

If you going to play, play your game.