Way overbetting with aces from the BB
 

First hour of a multi with several limpers and I find AA in the BB (or button or SB) and I shove all-in (1K of so) in to the pot of 80. Crazy overbet. I've done this 5 times now, and been called 4 times (and the aces held up each time too).

I'm not sure if this is typical or if I've just been lucky but it sure seems like there are a lot of people wiling to play sherriff.

Incidently it is almost always a middle pair that calls.

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Is this real or play money? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously though, I've tried that a few times and never been called.

Maybe they call just to try and bust you so they can tell all their friends they busted David Ross.

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i love this play when there are a few limpers. You can almost feel them thinking *i wont let this fukkkkka steal the pot.. I shall call and show him who is boss*

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Is this real or play money? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously though, I've tried that a few times and never been called.

Maybe they call just to try and bust you so they can tell all their friends they busted David Ross.

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A lot of times people limp with small PP's early in an MTT and try to hit a set, when a player in late position pushes it looks like they have crap and are trying to pick up the blinds, or the player magically puts you on AK. so they call and you get their stack.

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First hour of a multi with several limpers and I find AA in the BB (or button or SB) and I shove all-in (1K of so) in to the pot of 80. Crazy overbet. I've done this 5 times now, and been called 4 times (and the aces held up each time too).

I'm not sure if this is typical or if I've just been lucky but it sure seems like there are a lot of people wiling to play sherriff.

Incidently it is almost always a middle pair that calls.

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this works better early than late

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The bottom line is this cant be more profitable than a normal raise. If you want to mix this is very occasionally given the right textured game, fine.

-Jason

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Because its usually mid pairs that call, I really like doing this w/ 99-QQish. Hands that have good value PF, but will diminish on a multi-way flop (early, lots of limpers will call a decent sized raise), but still *usually* dominate those who call the overpush.

With AA/KK I will try to extract more value a different way.

Regards,
Woodguy

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I would have agreed with you before I started trying this, but now I'm not so sure. I'd have to win a lot of medium sized pots to make this up.

I always found early in a tournament I won lots of small pots with AA and lost the big ones, this seems to shift that dynamic. Of course 5 hands is hardly enough to make that judgement, but I'm certainly going to keep trying it.

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First hour of a multi with several limpers and I find AA in the BB (or button or SB) and I shove all-in (1K of so) in to the pot of 80. Crazy overbet. I've done this 5 times now, and been called 4 times (and the aces held up each time too).

I'm not sure if this is typical or if I've just been lucky but it sure seems like there are a lot of people wiling to play sherriff.

Incidently it is almost always a middle pair that calls.

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I was in a tourney on empire last night. it was for a 17K bellagio seat.

I had 4 limpers in front, and I shove all in (I'm not short) with KK in the SB. of course 99 in MP looks me up and I take his whole stack.

I love this play.

-Scott

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The bottom line is this cant be more profitable than a normal raise. If you want to mix this is very occasionally given the right textured game, fine.

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But he has been called 4 of 5 times now!

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I think this works great in the middle stages of tournaments. Like when everyone at your table has decent stacks at the 200-400 level and there happen to be a couple limpers. People will almost never give you credit for a hand if you have a decent amount of chips and push for no reason. I used to make this play freuquently with general sucsess. I mean...if you not called you still pick up an ok amount of chips from all the limpers. Thats basically the important difference between doing it early when picked up 95 chips doesnt really matter and doing it late when picking up 1500 would be nice. It also wouldnt be to bad if you actually got called!

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The bottom line is this cant be more profitable than a normal raise. If you want to mix this is very occasionally given the right textured game, fine.

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But he has been called 4 of 5 times now!

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there are several key factors here:

First: AA loses a lot when someone gets lucky.

Second:AA loses far less frequently against one player.

Third: a "normal raise" doesn't always get it HU.

Fourth: a raise big enough to encourage some of the limpers to fold smells like a big hand, and is less likely to get called by anyone.

Fifth: when someone shoves all in over a bunch of limpers, it just smells bad. We've all seen the guy turn over 74o when everyone folds and it sticks in our minds.

Given all this, I think the poosh is a higher EV play than a "normal raise".

-Scott

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The bottom line is this cant be more profitable than a normal raise. If you want to mix this is very occasionally given the right textured game, fine.

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You don't think that there's a fairly large number of people who will write off the fishy looking push to being the move of a complete idiot and call with garbage that they aren't necessarily going to pay you off with postflop if you play more conventionally, particularly in rebuys?