Theres still tons of fishies on mid limit games
 

I just had to post this cause it's so funny. I was playing 15/30 today and was getting ripped, I mean literally, I think I had KKs like 4 times and 3 times it lost to a fish who called 2 or 3 bets with a hand like Q5s(45o too!). I remember this guy who made it 3bets to me with a Q5s against my KK and he flopped a flush. For some reason all the loose aggressive players seem to hit flush or 2pair on the river since they call too much. How can players who play on mid limit still make mistakes like this. I checked his WTSD% and it was over 45%, something like 50% actually. Is this too high? I'm guessing 35% should be about right. Also with players who see the river this much should we play tighter alot more and do more traps against them? Just curious what's the best way to attack someone who sees the river this much.

Another funny thing I forgot to add. I raise ATo from the CO and he makes it 3bets to me with a Q2s on the SB, so I call. The flop came something like 7K2r, I check and he bets with his Q2, I check raise. On the turn it came 3, I check again hoping he folds a hand that I can beat. He bets and I check raise him again, he calls. River was a 6, I bet first and he actually called. I thought my play was very strong, I would definitely have made someone folded their duece if he knew what he was doing.

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I hope I'm not falling for a troll post here, but as a general rule when you get cr'ed on the flop and turn heads-up the likelihood that one pair is good is more than enough to call down against most overly-tricked heads-up donks. . . "On the turn it came 3, I check again hoping he folds a hand that I can beat." That sentence rules. . . .

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I've been playing straight forward on the table and was playing tight aggressive. Everyone showed me respect either than 2 players who was hitting every single hand and went to showdown more than 50% The person I was playing with however is calling everything, and winning them all too. I guess I should have just called this to the river and see if I can hit, no point of check-raising to semi-bluff someone who's not willing to fold 2nd or 3rd pair. The only hand I can really beat here is a smaller pair or another A with a smaller kicker. It's just amazing how he can play 15/30 and reraise me with Q2s! I'm definitely saving his name for next time.

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Why do supposedly solid players insist on trying to bluff calling stations?

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How can players who play on mid limit still make mistakes like this.

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Nice bad beat stories, what a fish!! Keep em coming!
-James

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That's what I am trying to figure out myself. I did realize something about players who play calls/call-call too much. I realise that they are very loose but when they do raise it's a legitimate raise. I use to always think they're bluffing cause they're so loose but it's real tough to beat them if you don't have a pair. Since they're playing any 2 cards they'll hit the board alot more often than someone who's tight.

Don't be scared against these players and always value bet until they raise you. A or K high is almost ever good unless the flop comes something like 766. I think to play against them you have to play as loose on the flop as they do.

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That's what I'm saying...even a 3/6 player understand hold'em. I'm guessing the guy was rich cause he was just tossing money around. The funny thing about loose players is they tend to catch lots of miracle hands. I'm sure there's times that they don't but when they're hot it's almost no way to stop them.

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By the way, loose *smart* players are real bold, they'll call sometimes as little as 3rd pair, so if you have top pair just keep betting it down or you can always check-raise them. I guess you can consider them loose passive cause when they do raise you on the rounds they usually have a real hand.

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Was this live, and you posted in between the blinds and the button?

JOEYBITCH has nothing on you.

~D

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to this post, OMG

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So who here likes taco bell?

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This was online. There was two situations where the player was playing the "luck" instead of his hands. He cold-called 3bets with a 45o after I opened UTG and another solid player reraised making it 3bets. The other time was when I was in late position and the player was in the button who made it 3bets with Q2s. Either thees players are bots or just plain o'l lucky cause he was hitting and I wasn't.

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I think someone from OOT wandered in.

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[censored] I better build up my bankroll like you have and get to the mid limit games so I can beat these guys too.

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I think someone from OOT wandered in.

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The OP is more WPT than OOT.

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3bets to me with a Q5s

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Dude, you don't 3 bet with Granny? Clearly you need to spend more time in the zoo.

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Can someone suggest the best way to defeat loose callers who's going to showdowns with as much as 45%. It's real tough to trap them cause they're real passive and they don't bet for value.

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" I was playing 15/30 today and was getting ripped, I mean literally, I think I had KKs like 4 times and 3 times it lost to a fish"

hi

this is not the place for you.

mike l.

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Since they're playing any 2 cards they'll hit the board alot more often than someone who's tight.

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Yeah, mid-limit poker is definitely beatable.

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This was online. There was two situations where the player was playing the "luck" instead of his hands. He cold-called 3bets with a 45o after I opened UTG and another solid player reraised making it 3bets. The other time was when I was in late position and the player was in the button who made it 3bets with Q2s. Either thees players are bots or just plain o'l lucky cause he was hitting and I wasn't.

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The players in question were definitely bots. Good read. Put on your tin foil hat and sunglasses and their pattern mappers will malfunction and you will be all set.

NH - Jags

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SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP YOU STUPID MORON

sorry, running bad and taking out my anger on jackasses

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"hi

this is not the place for you.

mike l."

It's not that I'm weak, my stats are solid I'm pretty sure of that. Seriously, how do you beat a fish who plays tons of hands and hits 2 pair or runner runner while holding a big pair. It's almost impossible to make the guy fold specially when you can't hit a single flop. Like what I said before, he'll call with deuce pair on all overcards. Funny, I was looking at how he played today and guess what, his $2000 roll is now back to 0, sucks that he had to hit everything while playing with me.

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Your stats may be good for what a good player may have but you lack a fundamental understanding of the game and should probably move down if you don't know how to beat calling stations.

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Well, how about educating me so I won't make the mistake again. I would love to crush calling stations.

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"Well, how about educating me so I won't make the mistake again. I would love to crush calling stations."

Mid-high stakes is really supposed to be a place for advanced poker discussion. Usually, this involves playing against good players, although as you point out there are plenty of people playing for big money who have no clue.

It's very easy to beat calling stations, but a discussion of how best to do it is too simplistic for this forum. You need to ask your questions in microlimits or small stakes. Do not be offended because you play higher.

Anyways, whether or not you choose to heed my advice and post your question in a different forum, I can assure you that you will never get any legitimate responses here, and rightly so.

-Michael

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I raise ATo from the CO and he makes it 3bets to me with a Q2s on the SB, so I call. The flop came something like 7K2r, I check and he bets with his Q2, I check raise. On the turn it came 3, I check again hoping he folds a hand that I can beat. He bets and I check raise him again, he calls. River was a 6, I bet first and he actually called. I thought my play was very strong, I would definitely have made someone folded their duece if he knew what he was doing.

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I'm still confused as to what site you were on where the CO acts before the SB on the flop, turn, and river...

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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I'm still confused as to what site you were on where the CO acts before the SB on the flop, turn, and river...

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well spotted... lol

Barron u got my respect [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Seriously, how do you beat a fish who plays tons of hands and hits 2 pair or runner runner while holding a big pair. It's almost impossible to make the guy fold specially when you can't hit a single flop. Like what I said before, he'll call with deuce pair on all overcards.

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You can't beat a guy who hits his hands. Deal with it. Try playing him when he's not hitting; like maybe the next hand.

Beating calling stations--there's only a couple of million words in the literature on this. Look it up.

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"Theres still tons of fishies on mid limit games"

Boy Howdy.
Jeff

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I was playing 15/30 today and was getting ripped, I mean literally, I think I had KKs like 4 times and 3 times it lost to a fish who called 2 or 3 bets with a hand like Q5s(45o too!). I remember this guy who made it 3bets to me with a Q5s against my KK and he flopped a flush. For some reason all the loose aggressive players seem to hit flush or 2pair on the river since they call too much. How can players who play on mid limit still make mistakes like this.

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The players in the 15/30 are simply too bad and loose for a good player to stand a chance against them. You should move up to the tougher games where your skills can shine through. Alternatively, if you're going to stay in the 15/30 you should try to get your VPIP between 50% and 60% in order to give yourself the opportunity to get just as lucky as your opposition.

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You're right, there are a lot of fish at 15/30.

Seriously though, how do you beat a calling station? I mean if you know he's gonna call with as little as ace high, how do you beat that?

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I just had to post this cause it's so funny. I was playing 15/30 today and was getting ripped, I mean literally, I think I had KKs like 4 times and 3 times it lost to a fish

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You actually expect us to believe you lost with POCKET
KINGS!?!

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call with deuce pair on all overcards.

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wow all overcards huh? I hate it when that happens to my deuce pairs

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I just had to post this cause it's so funny. I was playing 15/30 today and was getting ripped, I mean literally, I think I had KKs like 4 times and 3 times it lost to a fish who called 2 or 3 bets with a hand like Q5s(45o too!). I remember this guy who made it 3bets to me with a Q5s against my KK and he flopped a flush. For some reason all the loose aggressive players seem to hit flush or 2pair on the river since they call too much. How can players who play on mid limit still make mistakes like this. I checked his WTSD% and it was over 45%, something like 50% actually. Is this too high? I'm guessing 35% should be about right. Also with players who see the river this much should we play tighter alot more and do more traps against them? Just curious what's the best way to attack someone who sees the river this much.

Another funny thing I forgot to add. I raise ATo from the CO and he makes it 3bets to me with a Q2s on the SB, so I call. The flop came something like 7K2r, I check and he bets with his Q2, I check raise. On the turn it came 3, I check again hoping he folds a hand that I can beat. He bets and I check raise him again, he calls. River was a 6, I bet first and he actually called. I thought my play was very strong, I would definitely have made someone folded their duece if he knew what he was doing.

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Keep bluffing the calling stations. Sounds like he's not the only one who doesn't know what he's doing.

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"hi

this is not the place for you.

mike l."

It's not that I'm weak, my stats are solid I'm pretty sure of that. Seriously, how do you beat a fish who plays tons of hands and hits 2 pair or runner runner while holding a big pair. It's almost impossible to make the guy fold specially when you can't hit a single flop. Like what I said before, he'll call with deuce pair on all overcards. Funny, I was looking at how he played today and guess what, his $2000 roll is now back to 0, sucks that he had to hit everything while playing with me.

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Just reading this post tells us you aren't any good. so, stfu

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You actually expect us to believe you lost with POCKET
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Yeah, a truly advanced player like Phil Hellmuth would have folded them and saved some money.

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How the F are u gonna bluff out a calling station when he's willing to call you down with as little as a pair of dueces on all overcards or an A high. Think about it, if you don't hit and the player your against is hitting most of the time how are you going to bluff him out. This guy post a smart ass comment and didn't even know what he was talking about.

I think in this situation you have to play as loose as your opponent on the flop when your headsup with him. I notice these players then to see the showdown alot, if you keep playing real tight on the flops then theres no way to out flop him unless your hitting top pair all the time. Instead of betting a hand that has 25% of winning, check instead so you can induce them to bluff. If the person is willing to showdown an A on the river then any 2nd or 3rd pair is usually good to call.

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Just reading this reply tells us you aren't any good at all! so, stfu

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Hmmm..something funny about that? My AQ lost to a 45o after he called 3bets with nothing!