80% W$SD
 

I am 80% won showdown after 30K hands. Many people will say that it's a bad thing because no one will call my bets if they know I win so often at the river. But guess what... 99% of small stakes players don't pay attention!

I'm sure most of you with PokerTracker don't even look at this stat, and if you do, most of you trust your "instincts" anyway and call.

Second part of my post: how do I achieve such a high win percentage? Easy, don't call raises with weak holdings.

Tada!

Re: 80% W$SD
 

You're folding too many winners.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

What's your WtSD, 7? If your BB/100 is >10, I am seriously impressed.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

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I am 80% won showdown after 30K hands. Many people will say that it's a bad thing because no one will call my bets if they know I win so often at the river. But guess what... 99% of small stakes players don't pay attention!

I'm sure most of you with PokerTracker don't even look at this stat, and if you do, most of you trust your "instincts" anyway and call.

Second part of my post: how do I achieve such a high win percentage? Easy, don't call raises with weak holdings.

Tada!

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Someone at a table I was at last night said:

'I don't call check-raises on the river. You're never good unless you have the nuts.'

I copy and pasted that into the notes on him. I didn't get a chance to try it out. But I sure am gonna try.

What limits do you play? I don't think you can get away with that at 1/2 or higher.

KO

Re: 80% W$SD
 

You're leaving so much money on the table that I'm in tears as I'm posting this.

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I am 80% won showdown after 30K hands. Many people will say that it's a bad thing because no one will call my bets if they know I win so often at the river. But guess what... 99% of small stakes players don't pay attention!

I'm sure most of you with PokerTracker don't even look at this stat, and if you do, most of you trust your "instincts" anyway and call.

Second part of my post: how do I achieve such a high win percentage? Easy, don't call raises with weak holdings.

Tada!

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This whole thing is pretty ridiculous.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

Do you only play AA/KK?

Re: 80% W$SD
 

That' really high! I read Ed Miller's post the other day, and it sounds like you fit into the category of folding to many hands on the river. What is your went to showdown%?

Re: 80% W$SD
 

I think your probably leaving money on the table, folding too many winners. That percent is too dang high.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

Wow nice work!
How do you do it?
I only have a 53% W$SD after 50k hands [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: 80% W$SD
 

can you post a pic, one of the general info tab, and the moredetail stats as well. I'd like to see it

Re: 80% W$SD
 

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I am 80% won showdown after 30K hands.

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Hello 80% won showdown, I am Matt after 22 years.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

What is your VPIP and your WtSD?

Re: 80% W$SD
 

It doesn't matter what your W$SD. What matters is how much money you make. I'd actually be interested if you are a solid winner with this strategy, as obviously the conventional wisdom is that someone with this winning % is a weak-tight rock who barely beating the game.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

Sorry, WtSD is 30%

Re: 80% W$SD
 

BB/100?

Re: 80% W$SD
 

I'm pullin in around 4BB/100.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

That's good. I think at .50/1.00 and below you probably can get away with this. You are playing a lot of multiway pots against loose passive opponents. I just checked my PT and at .50/1.00 my WSD is 27 and W$SD is 60, but at 1/2 i am at like 30/52. At higher limits, aggressive players put you to tougher decisions and IMO you're not going to win playing like this.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

I realize, and this was most of the point of my post. Opponents at this level are just not good enough to pick up on these things.

I just ram and jam when I've got a strong holding and watch the fishies come along for the ride.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

Well, now the question is, what's your VPIP? With a 20% VPIP, 30% WtSD, and 80% W$@SD, you're winning about 5% of all pots, since you'll win some pots from the BB that you didn't VPIP. This neglects hands that you won without a showdown, so my numbers will be low. If we assume an average pot size of 7 BB, you'll be raking in about 35 BB/100 in winnings. If we record you with a 1 BB loss the 14% of all pots where you VPIP and don't make it to showdown, plus another 5 BB/100 in losses due to blinds, you should be winning at about 15 BB/100. If we give you a 10% VPIP, then you would be more like a 6 BB/100 winner. Those are somewhat conservative estimates for what your win rate should be with those stats. I think I'm going to whip out an OOT favorite:

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2...mingpoo1ny.jpg

Re: 80% W$SD
 

Yeah I hadn't really thought of it. If you have a super high W$SD but a normal WSD%, then you must just be running hot. I was thinking that at low limits you might able to bet by with >W$SD at expense of <WSD%

Re: 80% W$SD
 

I don't frequent OOT that much. Would the pic be referring to the darker material on the ground under the large horned mammals?

Re: 80% W$SD
 

Oh, it's not just underneath the horned mammals. The material of interest is in a giant mountain behind them, too. Furthermore, the mountain of the substance in the background is on fire.

Edit: typo.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

My W$SD is 100%! I fold anything less than quads, you can't be too careful.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

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Second part of my post: how do I achieve such a high win percentage? Easy, don't call raises with weak holdings.

Tada!

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How can you say that ignoring pot size?

Re: 80% W$SD
 

You can sit on my left anytime.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

I thought the point of playing poker was to increase EV, not to have the highest W$SD % possible. Having that high of an W$SD means you are losing EV IMO.

Re: 80% W$SD
 

EV is not money to lose

Re: 80% W$SD
 

???

Re: 80% W$SD
 

could u post your PT numbers? I would love to see it.

Don\'t let Ed Miller see this post.
 

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OP plays a lot of HU poker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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OP plays a lot of HU poker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Ah, finally a reasonable response. I mean, if he claims his numbers are from ring, or even 6 max, it's pretty flagrant trolling, but HU, I'll buy that. OP, what do your stats look like if you filter for 6 or more players at the table?

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OP plays a lot of HU poker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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thats much much worse than if he's playing fullring

Re: Don\'t let Ed Miller see this post.
 

Juding from his previous posts, OP plays full ring .50/1.

Re: Don\'t let Ed Miller see this post.
 

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OP plays a lot of HU poker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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thats much much worse than if he's playing fullring

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Hmmm. Upon further review, methinks you're right. I return to my previous sentiment:

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2...mingpoo1ny.jpg

Re: Don\'t let Ed Miller see this post.
 

I got a no-risk prop bet $10 to your stars account if you can produce the following unedited pics

general info tab
both pages of the more detail tab, from general info
position stats
pokergrapher pic of your 30k with W$SD80

at a level .5/1 or higher, with a winrate of 4BB/100 or higher

Re: Don\'t let Ed Miller see this post.
 

I agree that playing this tight to the river with a 4BB/100h return is unpossible. Furthermore, isn't 4BB/100h also a less remarkable margin for strong shorthanded and heads up play at .5/1? It's my experience and the consensus in the literature that the margins are substantially higher in shorthanded games.

Interestingly, a discussion of both the myth of the 'perfect player' (80% W$@SD, 4BB/100h 10 handed, for example) and the benefits of shorthanded play are chapters in "Inside the Poker Mind", which I just picked up and am enjoying.

Re: Don\'t let Ed Miller see this post.
 

im not sure if I am up to 30k hands, but my W$ at showdown is around 70ish after alot of hands... pat is emailing me an activation code for PT since I reformatted, Ill post my stats after I get it

Re: Don\'t let Ed Miller see this post.
 

I have a 18% WtSD over about 5k hands at NL (I'm a rock), and my W$SD is only 65%. This thread is horseshit.