Aces UP
 

2k game i have 2200, villian has about same.

one limper, i limp on button with A2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

sb who is a 30/7/2 so far through 100 hands (some shorthanded play) makes it 90, limper calls i call.



flop 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

checked around.

turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he leads 150, fold, I make it $425, he thinks for a while, then calls.

river: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he checks, hero....??


thanks,


fsuplayer

Re: Aces UP
 

Bets 2/3 or 3/4 ish pot because villain likely has AQ, AJ or 55-TT, in my opinion.

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you think villian checked flop, called my turn raise, and will pay off a river with TT? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

my image is good, but that is stretching it.

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Betting 500 on the end, might get a call from AQ-A9 depending on your image. But it might also induce a bluff-checkraise if he can get tricky.
Although the way that was played it looks like he either has Aces up himself or a pair+flush draw. So I would bet/check behind depending on how bad he was and how good my image is.

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I check behind here a lot... vs any opponent who will Cr the river without AK or a set a decent amount of times. A flush is prttyunlikely, hed have to have raised pf w/ a small suited connector (not impossible mind you). If he will CR only w/ AK or a set then consider betting small. However, AQ is the only plausible hand you MIGHT get any value from but even him holding that and calling with that is a bit of a stretch.

-JP

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Im a puss, so I check river 50% of time. I gotta think the correct play is to bet however, a milking type bet, like 400-600. This may invite a check raise however, so make sure you know your man if you're gonna milk him, otherwise, check behind.

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thin preflop call.

Why aren't you betting flop after it's checked to you?

I like river check behind, he has AK/KK/flush enough times that it's worth checking. IMO you should be checking club and diamond paint cards, betting everything else, since the most likely hands for villain are paint pairs, ace-paint, or flush draw, and although villain's probably not on diamonds, villain will be less likely to pay you off with a worse hand if the diamond flush comes in.

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you think villian checked flop, called my turn raise, and will pay off a river with TT? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

my image is good, but that is stretching it.

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You're right. I guess we're just hoping he has AQ and weaker here then.

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i like your play just fine so far, and id check the [censored] out of that river,

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Why aren't you betting flop after it's checked to you?


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I think the chances of a getting CR'd are pretty high, and am most likely behind, but with outs, a couple of which could break his possible hands pretty well.

Re: Aces UP
 

I check this river; it's the low variance thing to do. I think better players definitely bet this, and then know what to do when check raised.

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FSU-

Easy check behind here. He has AK! He is gonna c/r you!

Unless he is super-tricky, what else is he raising from the SB, checking the flop, bet/calling the turn, and checking the river with? He is only raising 7% preflop so far(with some SH play), that doesn't indicate he is raising preflop with AQ or worse. Small sample size, i know, but you gotta go with what you have.

-muz

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i thought it was a real easy check behind, but some others werent completely agreeing with me, so i figured id check and make sure Im not going stupid.


he checked, i checked he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the whiffed flop CR and rivered winner.

thanks.

Re: Aces UP
 

Stacks are not deep enough here to worry about a bluff CR on the river. FSU probably would be 4-1 or better to call any bluff CR, so Villain can't be sure that FSU will fold a marginal hand (like Aces up) if he check-raises. In other words, if Villain check-raises, he thinks his hand is good.

FSU checks behind because 1) he is beat a decent percentage of the time, 2) he will have a tough time folding if he is checkraised and 3) there are only a few holds that Villain can have here that pay him off on the river.

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thin preflop call.

Why aren't you betting flop after it's checked to you?

I like river check behind, he has AK/KK/flush enough times that it's worth checking. IMO you should be checking club and diamond paint cards, betting everything else, since the most likely hands for villain are paint pairs, ace-paint, or flush draw, and although villain's probably not on diamonds, villain will be less likely to pay you off with a worse hand if the diamond flush comes in.

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KK would limp pre-flop and check the flop?

Re: Aces UP
 

Opponent raised preflop, but none the less KK bets this flop all day long.