AK in SB, $100NL
 

What's my play here? UTG was a fairly tight solid player, not sure about MP.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

UTG ($202.28)
MP ($105.09)
CO ($105.90)
Button ($138.68)
SB ($100.55)
Hero ($151.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($12.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Hero ?

What is my move and why?

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

My standard is check/call lead turn.

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

so then you put him on pp?

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

I like betting ten and folding to big action. You only beat AQ, AJ and a flush draw here. Check-raising is I guess an option but I don't like it. Don't want to give the free card and I don't see a worse hand calling your check-raise, flush-draw-gutshot maybe.

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

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My standard is check/call lead turn.

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Why is this better than leading, you risk it getting checked around and there is about half the deck I don't want to see.

Edit: What about check-call, check-call, blocker if you want to check the flop?

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

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My standard is check/call lead turn.

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Why is this better than leading, you risk it getting checked around and there is about half the deck I don't want to see.

Edit: What about check-call, check-call, blocker if you want to check the flop?

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I don't think this flop is getting checked around. Betting will just induce a raise from almost any hand UTG has, bloating the pot without giving you much informtation.

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

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My standard is check/call lead turn.

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Why is this better than leading, you risk it getting checked around and there is about half the deck I don't want to see.

Edit: What about check-call, check-call, blocker if you want to check the flop?

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I don't think this flop is getting checked around. Betting will just induce a raise from almost any hand UTG has, bloating the pot without giving you much informtation.

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OK. Hero checks, UTG bets $12, MP folds, Hero calls $12.
Turn brings a 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets what with a $36 pot? $25? And when UTG raises that to $60, what does Hero do?

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

This depends on UTG. The idea is that he's less likely to raise a nice hefty bet on the turn without a set, whereas he'll raise the flop with AJ for sure, and possibly AQ. He'll also bet the flop with AQ, AJ, TT, QQ and so on, so we get more value that way.

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

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My standard is check/call lead turn.

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Why is this better than leading, you risk it getting checked around and there is about half the deck I don't want to see.

Edit: What about check-call, check-call, blocker if you want to check the flop?

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I don't think this flop is getting checked around. Betting will just induce a raise from almost any hand UTG has, bloating the pot without giving you much informtation.

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and what information does check/calling leading the turn and getting raised give us? easy fold?

im somewhat confused what you mean by "value" you're either killed in this hand or you're winning a small pot.

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

When did I say value?

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

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This depends on UTG. The idea is that he's less likely to raise a nice hefty bet on the turn without a set, whereas he'll raise the flop with AJ for sure, and possibly AQ. He'll also bet the flop with AQ, AJ, TT, QQ and so on, so we get more value that way.

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Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

what about check call down?

why do we have to lead the turn?

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what about check call down?

why do we have to lead the turn?

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I don't know about you, but I'd hate to see the turn checked behind ....

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

thats assuming by the turn its still 3 handed.

what if it was just between you and pfr?

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

Does anybody else (other than me) re-raise preflop? Is that wrong?

Ojo_Rojo

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

I really like a check-raise on that flop, AQ, AJ, AT, KJ and a flush draw will call you down a lot, and you will be assured to have a big pot. Also, someone could get silly and push back all-in thinking you are making a move with a flush draw. You also gain equity from MP to call a bet from UTG with a draw and faced with a big raise from you, or better a reraise from UTG.

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Does anybody else (other than me) re-raise preflop? Is that wrong?

Ojo_Rojo

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Yeah, I think that would be a bad play. Tight UTG raiser has something pretty good, reraising will just bloat the pot OOP with a drawing hand.

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I really like a check-raise on that flop, AQ, AJ, AT, KJ and a flush draw will call you down a lot, and you will be assured to have a big pot. Also, someone could get silly and push back all-in thinking you are making a move with a flush draw. You also gain equity from MP to call a bet from UTG with a draw and faced with a big raise from you, or better a reraise from UTG.

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You would really feel good about your hand if 150BB'w went in on the flop? I don't think a decent sized checkraise gets called by many worse hands.

Re: AK in SB, $100NL
 

He said UTG is solid, so, I think this hand really comes down to knowing your opponent. You must have an idea of what kind of hands he'll raise with UTG if you can call him solid. If he's the kind of guy that will only raise UTG with aces or kings, you're in bad shape. I would probe on the flop, bet 1/3 or 1/2 the pot and see what he does. The decision would have probably been easier if you had raised pre-flop. I just don't know too many players who will raise UTG with anything less than big pocket pairs. If the table is aggressive, I'll check aces or kings UTG in order to reraise if since I know it'll get raised, however, if it's a passive table, I'm definitely raising UTG with aces or kings to narrow the field. So, if the player is me, you gotta make him for a set. If it's a loose player, and you just called the flop, then you should probably lead the flop then, cause you're probably in the lead.
What do you think guys?