JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

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<font color="#C00000">Button ($226.60)</font>
Hero ($202.90)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($225.70)</font>
UTG ($255.15)
MP ($363.75)
CO ($361.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $10</font>, BB calls $8, Button calls $8.

Flop: ($30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $28</font>, BB calls $28, Button calls $28.

Turn: ($114) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero ?

Turn blanks and I still don't feel good with 2 PSB callers behind me.
If I keep betting, I am ready to die with one pair, if I check , I risk giving a crucial free card.
Just had 2 orbits at the table, both players seem average, no special reads. I haven't been involved in pots so far, so my image is probably more tight.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

Hmmmm what to do what to do.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

Button's overcall looks pretty scary. I want to check here, but then again I'm a big wuss.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

I think this is a very tough situation. Id slow way down, as you got two callers on a fairly drawless board. One of em prob has a set. Check and see what they do, if either bets more than half pot, im guessing they are milking you with a set. You shouldnt worry about the free cards too much. If one of them is playing a five that's poker. Betting again here commits way too much of your stack in a dangerous spot. I hate spots like these btw.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

I'd probably fire half pot...I think thats enough of a slowdown. I'm probably folding to agression. If that gets called i'm firing around 1/3 pot as a blocker.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

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I'd probably fire half pot...I think thats enough of a slowdown. I'm probably folding to agression. If that gets called i'm firing around 1/3 pot as a blocker.

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I guess we are too short for that.
If we bet 65$ on turn, get 1 caller, we have a 240$ pot on river and 100$ left behind...

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

Half pot is $55 not $65. Assuming you lose one caller here, pot would be 220. Then you can fire around 50 again.

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I'd probably fire half pot...I think thats enough of a slowdown. I'm probably folding to agression. If that gets called i'm firing around 1/3 pot as a blocker.

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I guess we are too short for that.
If we bet 65$ on turn, get 1 caller, we have a 240$ pot on river and 100$ left behind...

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Yeah, this isn't an option. The options are...

Check/push.
Check/fold.
Push.

Decide what is best and do it.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

$100 and call a push.

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$100 and call a push.

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I actually dont mind open push, you'd be amazed at how often A4/55+ call...

Also, hands like 45 which may be correct in calling psb may call anyway through frustration/believing they have best hand. If stacks are deeper I like check/pushing... If villains will only bet if they can beat JJ, I like check/folding.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

I often see 45 pushing when you bet 100 if they are planning on calling. Not sure why.

RESULTS
 

Thanks for the replies.
Probably I butchered this one.
I checked, planning to fold to something like bet/raise or strong bet/call and pushing any weak bet.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Button ($226.60)</font>
Hero ($202.90)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($225.70)</font>
UTG ($255.15)
MP ($363.75)
CO ($361.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $9</font>, BB calls $8, Button calls $8.

Flop: ($30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $28</font>, BB calls $28, Button calls $28.

Turn: ($114) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.

River: ($114) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $40</font>, Hero folds, BB calls $30.

Final Pot: $194

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Kd Ad (one pair, aces).
Button has 5c 3c (straight, five high).
Outcome: Button wins $194. </font>

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Ugh. Protect your hand, man. No reason to think you're beat just from 2 calls on this very draw heavy flop. Much more likely to be against two draws. Or a draw and a worse pair. I'm definitely blasting away on the turn. Too short to get away if you're beat.

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I dont think the flop is draw heave. its 234. Only real draw is someone with a 5 in their hand. Doesnt the PSB on the flop protect that enough?

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Anyone with an ace has at least 7 outs and quite possibly 10. And on the turn, they could pick up a diamond draw.

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 

I think with this level of players your best bet would be to make a probe bet of about half the pot. It's a form of small ball. I don't see how anyone can really raise you in this spot unless they have you beaten or are ultra aggessive. A bet of that size doesn't really pot commit you and it helps define your hand and the hands you are against.

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Ugh. Protect your hand, man. No reason to think you're beat just from 2 calls on this very draw heavy flop. Much more likely to be against two draws. Or a draw and a worse pair. I'm definitely blasting away on the turn. Too short to get away if you're beat.

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I don't say I played it well.
But note that while the actual holdings are about the best what I could hope for if we bring the money in now, I am still just a bit more than 40% to win the pot.
Add the scenarios, where I am toast and I don't think there is much room to blunder big, whatever I do here.

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the actual holdings are about the best what I could hope

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This is not true. Could easily be something like 75 and TT. And then you check, TT bets, 75 calls, you fold because you 'must be beat' and lose a nice big pot for no reason.