make a big call?
 

Villain is a pretty big LAG, vastly loose aggro preflop, pretty loose aggro postflop. I believe him to be very capable of bluffing, although I haven't ever seen him show or get caught in a big one. He would definitely draw at a flush for a big bet on the turn.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($408.30)
CO ($806.86)
Button ($643.30)
SB ($302)
Hero ($439.90)
UTG ($426.77)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, CO calls $44.

Right, after this action I put him on either a made hand, which I made or may not be able to beat, or more likely a draw. He is pretty likely to fourbet the hands that beat me IMO. I am prepared to lay down if he pushes the turn, although that would also be tough.

Turn: ($130) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, CO calls $100.

Hate this bet, I think he'd call potsize with a draw here, so obviously I shouldn't bet less. Now I have him pretty firmly on a draw tho.

River: ($330) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $275</font>

Yeah, I don't know now, pretty tough river. Anyone think I should call?

Re: make a big call?
 

You didn't think about this before you checked the river?

Re: make a big call?
 

the only hand I can put him on is a busted flush /w or without a 5 in it, i look this lag up.

Re: make a big call?
 

I think a stronger hand than yours would take another shot at you on the turn, but villain didn't. On the river looks like villain made a play at your weakness...gotta look him up.

Re: make a big call?
 

I see no reason for him to have a 5, but I see tons of reasons for him to pretend he does.

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You didn't think about this before you checked the river?

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In the actual hand I acted pretty fast. You're not implying I should bet this river are you?

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I'm saying that you should have had an idea of what you were going to do if he bets when you decided to check.

Re: make a big call?
 

45 is double-gutted on the flop

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I'm saying that you should have had an idea of what you were going to do if he bets when you decided to check.

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OK. That I did have.

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45 is double-gutted on the flop

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Wouldn't he move with that on the turn, to avoid a flush card killing his action?

Re: make a big call?
 

Block bet river. Honestly what do you think his range is here? I dont put him on the five unless hes playing 45 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]'s

Re: make a big call?
 

I really hate the idea of a blocking bet ehre.

Re: make a big call?
 

Since our read on villain is he was on a draw, his draw has either hit or (more likely) missed. What does a bet accomplish?

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OK, so far it seems that everyone thinks I should call. Maybe I should clarify my read a bit. In pokertracker, villain was 65/28/2.5. I'd seen him bet and raise lots of pots, with a lot of different hands. I'd never seen him get caught in a big bluff at the river though. Is it good to assume that this type of opponent often bluffs this river? I've found that the great majority of players at 2/4 often check their busted draws, declining the bluff.

Re: make a big call?
 

Given villain's stats he does not seem the type of player to just check/check after you showed an obvious lack of confidence on the river. He believes he can snatch the pot with a sizable bet.

Results
 

I called quickly. He had J5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Oh well, good call at least it seems.

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How big does a block bet have to be to be considered a block bet?

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Something like 1/3-1/2 the pot. This is a horrible spot for it tho. A better spot would be with something like tptk, when the river is a third flush card that paired the board. I think... I am not much of a block better. Maybe not... There shuld probably also be a missed draw that that he would bluff, and you don't want to call... Hum, someone explain this better, please.

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I'd never seen him get caught in a big bluff at the river though.

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This seems to be the most telling thing here. How often have you seen a big overbet by this guy on the river get called, and how often has it been the nuts or close to the nuts? One of the key things I take notes on is this. Stuff like "bet 2x the pot on the river with a rivered straight" I usually will let someone else make a big call of this guy so i can get information, but _most_ people arent pushing the rivers on bluffs....takes a certain player to do it...there are ones that i'll call a river push against on a board like this, but they are few and far between.

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I'd never seen him get caught in a big bluff at the river though.

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This seems to be the most telling thing here. How often have you seen a big overbet by this guy on the river get called, and how often has it been the nuts or close to the nuts? One of the key things I take notes on is this. Stuff like "bet 2x the pot on the river with a rivered straight" I usually will let someone else make a big call of this guy so i can get information, but _most_ people arent pushing the rivers on bluffs....takes a certain player to do it...there are ones that i'll call a river push against on a board like this, but they are few and far between.

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I guess that is why I posted this. I mostly agree with you. It seems that a lot of people don't though.
It should be noted that this was the first session I've played with this guy, and opportunities for big river bluffs don't come along that often, and also big river bets are pretty rarely called.

Re: make a big call?
 

How can you possibly think about folding this? Are you insane?

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How can you possibly think about folding this? Are you insane?

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That's harsh.