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very tight 100-200 at commerce. all fold to cutoff, who raises. she is very solid, and doesn't play many hands. I am on the button with black 99 and reraise. bb, a very aggressive gambler who once placed 2nd in the wsop main event calls.

flop is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

bb checks, c/o bets, I raise, bb reraises, c/o caps, I call of course.

turn is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. bb bets, c/o raises, I call.

river is T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. bb checks, c/o bets.

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raise?

EDIT - ok, I kinda misread the board for like the 9th time today. flush beats trips etc etc.

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raise is bad here

looks like ace high flush got there

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very tight 100-200 at commerce

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Didn't know that existed.. 100/200 though, I guess.

I would call, probobly raise if im closing the action but im not. Go for overcall and don't let the 3-bet get you.

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seems like a clear call to me.

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Just call. It looks like you will get an overcall so you will end up making the same while losing the least if she has the flush.

I dont think you can fold here, as she might have played AcAx or AcQ here.

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to me this is a call...i dont see another option.

fold it? well she is bettting into two people after that action so....

but you gotta call it.
Barron

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go ahead and call she could easily have AQ or AA or KK or something. you likely lose but it's worth a call. dont worry about bb.

does it get tight often? i didnt see that much last year. there was a game that i thought was tight at one point and then a regular limped utg w/ 85o and that was the end of that theory.

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i don't see how you can raise this river, but i'd throw up if i had to fold here, so i call and pray.

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seems like an easy call.

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Seems like obvious call. If you were going to raise, you should have done it on the turn. You can't fold.

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Call. My guess is you are only about a 2 to 1 dog here.

~ Rick

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Has it ever crossed you mind that maybe you loosen them up?

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Call. My guess is you are only about a 2 to 1 dog here.


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I afraid he's in worse shape than that.

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You're obviously not raising, and getting 17-1, i'm pretty sure you're not folding. Given that, i'm pretty sure you should be calling.

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i dont think you can consider raising here so the question is call or fold. you are getting 17:1 on the call. are you winning 5% of the time. well, i think you have the bb beat. i can't imagine a hand he could have that beats you that he would not have 3-bet the turn with. he probably has a hand like QJ or holds the A or K of clubs. how about the co? well you lose to a flush, QQ, and TT. You beat AA with Ac, AQ with Ac, KK with Kc, KQ with Kc. It seems to me that co has a hand you beat often enough to warrent a call.

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I'm trying to figure out why you shouldn't raise.

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to raise 2 things have to happen. you have to have the best hand AND get paid off. the likelyhood of this isn't over the required 50% or so.

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Interesting hand. She didn't cap pre-flop so you figure a set of Q's rather than AA-KK. I'm guessing most 2nd place finishers in the WSOP main event in the BB, aside from Dewey Tomko, will call 2 more with a decent range of hands and all could play black JJ-TT the same way. He may have led that turn hoping it would play out just like it did but hoped you'd fold for 2 cold. I'm thinking the play was still to 3 bet the turn to get BB out. Call the river.

Isn't the difference of 1 or 2 extra BB's on the turn to get BB out and maybe clean up some outs is worth it if CO had black AA-KK or red Q's? Either way, with a set and 13.5 BB's in there, putting more pressure on the BB to get out on the turn seems the move to make. Nice post.

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HPFAP says you have to have the best hand ~60% of the time because you might repopped.

If Snakehead was heads up with c/o then IMO it's an easy raise. Go through her possible hands, AA, KK, AQ, QQ, AcKc and it says raise. Of course if you think c/o would only raise with AA if she had the Ac and QQ, then I agree calling is better. based on how the hand went down I don't think the bb has a flush. So the only hand you have to worry about him is K-J.

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HPFAP says you have to have the best hand ~60% of the time because you might repopped.

If Snakehead was heads up with c/o then IMO it's an easy raise. Go through her possible hands, AA, KK, AQ, QQ, AcKc and it says raise. Of course if you think c/o would only raise with AA if she had the Ac and QQ, then I agree calling is better. based on how the hand went down I don't think the bb has a flush. So the only hand you have to worry about him is K-J.

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Why is her range of hands so narrow? If its a flush, why can it only be A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? She open raised from the cutoff. Also you didnt mention anything about Snakhead collecting an extra bet from the BB when he has the best hand and gets the overcall.

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I think this is very important. The overcall from the BB gives you the same value as a raise with less risk. Unless you think the BB might come along for two with a weaker hand.

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"Has it ever crossed you mind that maybe you loosen them up?"

no because i play tight in that game. plus when i watch the game to see if i should get in it i see people getting out of line almost all the time.

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How can she have AA or KK when she didn't cap preflop v 2 opponents?

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easy call everytime.....

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How can she have AA or KK when she didn't cap preflop v 2 opponents?

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deception can be multiway too

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seems like raising the turn is the best idea, 2 pairs, tend to fold (your full house is live then). Personally i don't see how three nines could be good here more than very rarely, however 1/17 is too much to fold, but i'd be shocked if you won.

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"Why is her range of hands so narrow? If its a flush, why can it only be A K ? She open raised from the cutoff."

And didn't cap pre-flop, but did cap the flop. So I agree, she might have a range of flush holdings, perhaps even something like J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], considering she capped the flop and raised the turn.

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Tough spot. Looks like you might well be in 3rd place, although BB might have A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q. Hard to imagine you have the best hand.

But all those chips in the pot, I'm not good enough to fold.

So: "I . . . c . .c. .c. .call."

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why has no one said 3-bet the turn, then calling a 4-bet, and folding the river UI? (even though i would probably never do this)

i know it seems crazy, but would CO cap the turn without the nuts? and if you 3-bet, doesn't she have to respect you for A-x clubs with x greater than 10?

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why has no one said 3-bet the turn, then calling a 4-bet, and folding the river UI? (even though i would probably never do this)

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I said 3 bet the turn and cry call the river, which I think is better than folding UI.

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nobody considers a raise on the river, while thinking you have the worst hand. whats wrong with you ------ or me.

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this was the third time I had flopped a set that day, and I had lost the first two. maybe that influenced my decision, but for the life of me I couldn't put her on a hand I could beat. also, and just as important, the bb was still to act behind me. I really thought he had a small flush or straight. it has been a couple of years since I played with him, and I didn't remember how crazy he can play.

I folded, then the bb folded. then I wanted to throw up.

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The much respected and admired snakehead admits defeat on a brutally misplayed strong hand. Respect for the admission.

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i heard snakeheads could live in puddles for weeks.

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I folded, then the bb folded. then I wanted to throw up.

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Liar.

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I think you have to call this river. CO is tight, but she did open in the CO which has to loosen her range a bit. SB's play is a bit disconcerting, but he could have 3-bet the flop hoping CO would scram. The turn raise is scary, but I just can't see ditching this on the river, or raising for the matter. Call and hope for 2-pair or a smaller set.

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This one isn't hard at all. Call. Raising is a pretty big mistake and folding is a decent enough mistake I would think.

This one shouldn't confuse you.

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this was the third time I had flopped a set that day, and I had lost the first two. maybe that influenced my decision, but for the life of me I couldn't put her on a hand I could beat. also, and just as important, the bb was still to act behind me. I really thought he had a small flush or straight. it has been a couple of years since I played with him, and I didn't remember how crazy he can play.
was the other player sam farha?

I folded, then the bb folded. then I wanted to throw up.

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How can she have AA or KK when she didn't cap preflop v 2 opponents?

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Lol, She could easily have AA or KK becuz people love to be tricky, especially in shorthanded situations such as this one. There are many people that would rather win less money and suprise you than win the maximum by playing straight forward.