follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

15-30 online i have Ah5h in the big blind. utg (12/6/1.8) raises, cutoff (unknown) calls, sb (37/9/1) calls.

what's the correct play?

when youve answered move onto part 2

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

I call.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

call

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

call

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

is part 2 gonna be seperate post or something?
obviously everyone is calling here.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

I'm going to threebet because if the rest of the hand is going to be this easy we need to make it harder.

-Michael

follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 2)
 

you call preflop and the flop is

4h, Qh, As

how should you play the flop?
check-call
check-fold
bet-3 bet
checkraise-call a 3 bet
checkraise-cap

any other combinations be specific. and say why. and dont say it depends on if utg is the type to do this that or the other. all we know is his pv numbers, same for the others. refer to part 1 for those.

after youve answered this part go on to part 3.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 2)
 

checkraise/cap if multiway, call if HU.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 2)
 

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you call preflop and the flop is

4h, Qh, As

how should you play the flop?
check-call
check-fold
bet-3 bet
checkraise-call a 3 bet
checkraise-cap

any other combinations be specific. and say why. and dont say it depends on if utg is the type to do this that or the other. all we know is his pv numbers, same for the others. refer to part 1 for those.

after youve answered this part go on to part 3.

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Assuming SB checks, I usually checkraise here. So it'll go SB checks, UTG bets, CO (??), SB (??), I checkraise. HU whether or not I checkraise (i.e. CO and SB folded) depends on how I think UTG would be likely to play AK in this situation, but if I checkraise and he 3-bets I'm just calling and playing it safe. If it's 4-ways I'm almost always checkraise-capping this. 3-ways, closer, depends on how I think UTG plays AK in this situation like I said above -- if I'm reasonably certain he'd just 3-bet, as many would, then I think you can get away with a checkraise-cap for value 3-ways. Definitely cap 4-ways though.

Rob

follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 3)
 

the flop was checked through.

now the turn comes: [4h Qh As] 2s

sb bets into you! what's your play?

fold
call
raise

please state why and be detailed. again do not ask questions about how sb utg or cutoff play. that is unknown. all we know are there numbers on the screen. isnt online fun?

when youre done move on to part 4!

follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 4)
 

you decide to raise the turn and utg 3 bets it. cutoff folds, sb calls, and you call.

the river is 3c giving you a wheel.

sb checks. should you:

bet or go for the checkraise.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

Easy call for flush value alone.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 3)
 

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the flop was checked through.

now the turn comes: [4h Qh As] 2s

sb bets into you! what's your play?

fold
call
raise

please state why and be detailed. again do not ask questions about how sb utg or cutoff play. that is unknown. all we know are there numbers on the screen. isnt online fun?

when youre done move on to part 4!

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I call as I don't care much to be 3-bet by someone who may very well have missed a flop checkraise, and there aren't many hands I think UTG/CO can have here that can call two bets, let alone one.

Rob

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 2)
 

check-raise cap

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 4)
 

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you decide to raise the turn and utg 3 bets it. cutoff folds, sb calls, and you call.

the river is 3c giving you a wheel.

sb checks. should you:

bet or go for the checkraise.

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I checkraise as long as UTG's river aggression is 1.4 or higher. He's usually not putting anyone on a 5 here.

Rob

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 4)
 

Go for the check-raise unless UTG is checking a set of Aces here, which I doubt unless he's extremely weak.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

ok so it's a boring thread i realised that now that im done.

i might be up at hp tomorrow why dont you climb out of your cave and say hi you big phony.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 3)
 

id raise the turn, but its real close... calling seems fine, but it wouldnt really be a disaster to get threebet with that draw and i like your current pair of aces just fine.
if someone behind you picked up a spade draw or has JT or something i want them to fold, or pay.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 4)
 

checkraise/cap, duh.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 3)
 

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if someone behind you picked up a spade draw or has JT or something i want them to fold, or pay.


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JT usually won't be calling but you wouldn't mind if he did, as he's making a mistake here (getting 5:1 with a gutshot). I get what you're saying about [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] draws but I don't think they are going to be out there in the hands of UTG or CO often enough to raise when you will inevitably have to call a 3-bet.

If the pot were larger I like a raise much more here, FWIW.

Rob

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 2)
 

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you call preflop and the flop is

4h, Qh, As

how should you play the flop?
check-call
check-fold
bet-3 bet
checkraise-call a 3 bet
checkraise-cap

any other combinations be specific. and say why. and dont say it depends on if utg is the type to do this that or the other. all we know is his pv numbers, same for the others. refer to part 1 for those.

after youve answered this part go on to part 3.

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easiest flop c/r in the world. i would also just pump the pot to no end especially if it was 3 way the whole way.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 3)
 

I dont see any reason at all to raise the turn. You really dont need to protect your hand here in a 5BB pot and should focus on maximizing value/minimizing losses, which I think is done much better here by calling as it allows the pfr or the coldcaller to make a bad call behind and probably commits the SB to a showdown if the rest fold, as you could have XsXs or XhXh. When you raise he may drop hands like Qx, which has very few outs since you are holding the flushdraw aswell.
Another benefit from calling is that you avoid getting 3bet when SB(or UTG, though I normally wouldn´t worry much about that on this board) was slowplaying the flop.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 1)
 

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15-30 online i have Ah5h in the big blind. utg (12/6/1.8) raises, cutoff (unknown) calls, sb (37/9/1) calls.

what's the correct play?

when youve answered move onto part 2

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Call.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 2)
 

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you call preflop and the flop is

4h, Qh, As

how should you play the flop?
check-call
check-fold
bet-3 bet
checkraise-call a 3 bet
checkraise-cap

any other combinations be specific. and say why. and dont say it depends on if utg is the type to do this that or the other. all we know is his pv numbers, same for the others. refer to part 1 for those.

after youve answered this part go on to part 3.

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Check/raise cap.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 3)
 

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the flop was checked through.

now the turn comes: [4h Qh As] 2s

sb bets into you! what's your play?

fold
call
raise

please state why and be detailed. again do not ask questions about how sb utg or cutoff play. that is unknown. all we know are there numbers on the screen. isnt online fun?

when youre done move on to part 4!

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Call.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 4)
 

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you decide to raise the turn and utg 3 bets it. cutoff folds, sb calls, and you call.

the river is 3c giving you a wheel.

sb checks. should you:

bet or go for the checkraise.

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I don't like the turn raise.

Check/raise.

Re: follow me through a hand with many decisions (part 4)
 

I don't like the turn raise either. To my mind this hand was butchered.

The correct flop play, in my opinion, wasn't even on the list: bet out and call a raise. I go limp after the flop raise, drawing for a heart and planning on a showdown in any case. Why charge yourself when drawing, or alternatively force out others drawing to two-outers who'll keep betting?

This seems like an easy hand to me but I don't see what everyone else is talking about in their posts. Reraising or check-raising flop or turn only induces calls from better hands and folds from worse, while never bringing about a situation in which you're correct to fold (you have the nut draw!)

Limpage for minimum limpidity after establishing some claim on the pot with a flop bet (you wouldn't want to have to call two cold if it can be avoided, since that gives away your hand).

Bet-call, check-call, and of course check-raise the river.

JimmyV