I hate my opponents
 

...though I know I shouldn't. When I finnish a 1000 hand session in the negative, review my big loosers, and they're all to miraculous runner-runner gutshots and 2 outers after calling 2-3 cold on the flop, I want to put these idiots on trial and have them publicly declared imbeciles, shamed before their peers, yada yada yada. The contempt I feel sometimes really suprises me, though I have always been highly competitive. I can't get my head around the paradox that it's because people can win in the short-term at poker while playing retarded that I can win in the long-term while playing smart. I would give up 25% of my profits to experience 50% less varience. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I would give up 25% of my profits to experience 50% less varience.


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If this is your attitude, I recommend that you either play gin or high low split with no qualifier. There's a lot less variance, but its also impossible to find a game.

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Don't hate the players.

Hate the game.

Trying donking it up at lower limits to blow off steam and put yourself in your opponents mindsets so you won't hate on them. Get drunk if you have too.

In the end, it's just a friggin game, dude.

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...though I know I shouldn't. When I finnish a 1000 hand session in the negative, review my big loosers, and they're all to miraculous runner-runner gutshots and 2 outers after calling 2-3 cold on the flop, I want to put these idiots on trial and have them publicly declared imbeciles, shamed before their peers, yada yada yada. The contempt I feel sometimes really suprises me, though I have always been highly competitive. I can't get my head around the paradox that it's because people can win in the short-term at poker while playing retarded that I can win in the long-term while playing smart. I would give up 25% of my profits to experience 50% less varience. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I wonder if a casino thinks this way when someone goes on a roll on a crap table. Or on a roulette wheel.

Embrace the ones paying you off even though they hit their hands.

Also, study more. You may not be totally buying in to the longrun concept yet.

b

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Giving up 25% of my profits for 50% less varience is kind of a disturbing wish, huh?

I like winning more than money. That's the only answer. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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... I want to put these idiots on trial and have them publicly declared imbeciles, shamed before their peers,

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I used to hate them but now i don't even view them as human beings. They are just blobs of flesh with tiny brains spewing chips. What was once contempt is now just a vague, detatched sense of pity.

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I like winning more than money. That's the only answer.

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This is probably correct.

The good news is that if you redefine winning to mean playing well, then your problem will go away by itself.

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Read my series on Anger Management at cardplayer.com. I wrote it for people like you.

If you don't gain control of your anger, you CAN'T play poker well.

Regards,

Al

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Don't hate the players.

Hate the game.

Trying donking it up at lower limits to blow off steam and put yourself in your opponents mindsets so you won't hate on them. Get drunk if you have too.

In the end, it's just a friggin game, dude.

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I exclusively play NL (usually 100NL-200NL) and when I'm steaming a bit, I bring $10 into PL Omaha and just raise everything preflop. Sometimes I'm out first hand, sometimes I go on tares and win up to $75 and leave, positive of the fact that however mad i was, I just made a few other players even madder.

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oh i fully hate my oppenets, but it comes the fact that players are so cheesy now. everyone just stepped away from the tv and they talk just like they have...last nite at lucky chances 1-1-2 nl(basically a glorified 3-6) i raised to 12 with AK suited, guy raises to 24, i jam pot for another 80 and he calls instantly with pckt 2 and flops a set over my tptk..when i say he called real quik for just having 2's he sez oh i put u on ak...yah right a-hole

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You ever seen those guys that get so mad they type out "I hope your mother gets hit by a bus you c*ck sucker". These people need anger management.

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...though I know I shouldn't. When I finnish a 1000 hand session in the negative, review my big loosers, and they're all to miraculous runner-runner gutshots and 2 outers after calling 2-3 cold on the flop, I want to put these idiots on trial and have them publicly declared imbeciles, shamed before their peers, yada yada yada. The contempt I feel sometimes really suprises me, though I have always been highly competitive. I can't get my head around the paradox that it's because people can win in the short-term at poker while playing retarded that I can win in the long-term while playing smart. I would give up 25% of my profits to experience 50% less varience. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I know the feeling. I have have recently entered the inevitable downswing after running way too well recently. It's such a test of your internal fortitude when you're getting hit with not just one suckout, many in a row and then going card dead.

But I think it was Negranau who said he always makes sure to smile and congratulate the people who suckout on him - much like a casino makes a big deal and congratulates a customer who hits a slot jackpot. It's simply good business and reinforces their bad behavior.

I've always got to give them a "NH" when their J6s beats my flopped set with a runner runner flush. It makes me laugh a little when they say "thank you" too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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oh i fully hate my oppenets, but it comes the fact that players are so cheesy now. everyone just stepped away from the tv and they talk just like they have...last nite at lucky chances 1-1-2 nl(basically a glorified 3-6) i raised to 12 with AK suited, guy raises to 24, i jam pot for another 80 and he calls instantly with pckt 2 and flops a set over my tptk..when i say he called real quik for just having 2's he sez oh i put u on ak...yah right a-hole

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Well he hasn't gotten dealt a high pocket pair yet, so how could you have? And raising like this is how someone plays AK, and if you have AK then his 22 is almost the same as having QQ, and he's definitely not laying down QQ preflop....This is what goes on in the minds of my opponents. My other favorite is the raising to $8 on a $2 BB and getting a caller who rivers a flush when he called with J7s. "Who knows the flop could be 89T or all spades, then I'd be a lock. and if I dont get a good flop, it only cost me $8." Ok....

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[quote I want to put these idiots on trial and have them publicly declared imbeciles, shamed before their peers,

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If they are peers they wouldn't be shamed since they would probably think and act the same way. Reminds me of what my father said when called to jury duty, the defense lawyer asked him if he believed a person had a right to a trail by his peers and Dad replied well you better get someone else because I am not a criminal.

RZ

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While hate is a strong word, I kind of dislike many of my opponents online. The main reason for this feeling is that I often don't think they are playing "seriously". This has nothing to do with Tight/Loose. I sometimes think they are just throwing in chips to see what happens. In the very long run I will probably make a profit, but it takes away
from the joy of playing,at least for me.

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My favorite is in a limit game, I raise preflop, and get 3bet by some joker with 66. Then they say, "I knew you had AK." [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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[quote I want to put these idiots on trial and have them publicly declared imbeciles, shamed before their peers,

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If they are peers they wouldn't be shamed since they would probably think and act the same way. Reminds me of what my father said when called to jury duty, the defense lawyer asked him if he believed a person had a right to a trail by his peers and Dad replied well you better get someone else because I am not a criminal.

RZ

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considering we believe in "innocent until proven guilty," wasn't it a bit presumptive for your father to believe the defendant was a criminal BEFORE the trial?

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call them bad names then educate them why the odds are so stacked agaisnt them or tell them what a great call they made to win that pot and smile to your self and patenitly wait your turn to clean them out. even blind a squriel finds a nut here and there other wise they would surely die away then what you do ? personally i pefer to call these type players my little piggy banks (though they can be frustating). wow hit that inside draw on the river man i wish i could do that.good hand. oops you lost 3 draws in a row? dont worry about it. bet you hit the next.oh by the way the bets a 100 to go you in? yea i thought so

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While hate is a strong word, I kind of dislike many of my opponents online. The main reason for this feeling is that I often don't think they are playing "seriously". This has nothing to do with Tight/Loose. I sometimes think they are just throwing in chips to see what happens. In the very long run I will probably make a profit, but it takes away
from the joy of playing,at least for me.

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Huh?

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While hate is a strong word, I kind of dislike many of my opponents online. The main reason for this feeling is that I often don't think they are playing "seriously". This has nothing to do with Tight/Loose. I sometimes think they are just throwing in chips to see what happens. In the very long run I will probably make a profit, but it takes away
from the joy of playing,at least for me.

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I don't understand this thinking at all, nor do I understand why any of you would be angry at your more stupid incompetent opponents.

While I definitely will get angry and frustrated when I'm losing, none of this anger is directed towards the bad players at the table. Why would I be mad at them for playing badly? Their bad play is what makes me money in the long run, it's not their fault I'm getting unlucky today.

I'm mad at... fate, the cold cruel universe which has caused me to miss all my draws or get rivered time after time for the last 2 hours, etc. As long as I'm still in the game, I WANT any boneheaded opponent to continue his boneheaded play so I have a chance at winning some of that money back.

As to non serious players tossing chips in at random, you just described my dream table.

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I am a trader at a large investment bank, so I have had some experience with dealing with losses and bad streaks. My advice is the following:

(1) Take a break from it, however long you need. Maybe it's a day, maybe it's a week, maybe it's a month. But step aside from it and dont think about it for some period of time (until you feel your mind is clear).

(2) Ease your way back in, starting small. Play small for a while until you feel like you've re-established your rhythm and confidence. It will come back. Dont try to up your stakes too quickly. Be patient. The key is to get your mindset repaired.

(3) once you feel more confident and you're winning regularly again, begin to take strides towards bigger betting.

NEVER, EVER try to increase your bets when you're losing. That is almost always a recipe for going bust.