Has anyone mentioned that Fischman played great?
 

I know that a lot of people around here seem to dislike him, but I thought he played amazing poker during the $1,500 NL tonight.

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He played solid, surprised at how quick he fold 66 pf to a MPish raise i think.

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It seemed good but come on, we saw like 6 hands he played.

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we saw like 6 hands he played.

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Yes but he played them really well. In each of them, he had to totally took control of really good players to win the pot. It was great NL. I understand your point about the paucity of hands we see, but Scott managed to put on a good show.

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I can agree with that.

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I didnt like the check in the turn with Alan when he has the full house.

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Why not?

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hey does anyone know what devilfish said to him after scott folded 88 and asked him "did i fold the best hand?"

devilfish had kk reraised all in preflop and after scott's lame speech and fold devilfish went around high 5ing

i taped the show, stopped the tape, rewound it, and still couldnt figure out what the hell devilfish said to him

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not to discount scott, but i didn't mention to you tonight talking about this that they pretty much selectively chose what to show. i know that's rather obvious, but scott REALLY wasn't involved in that many pots at this final table. he doubled someone up early and was just an average stack most of the time. from there he just grinded and made a few plays. you saw pretty much all of the relevant hands he was in.

liz lieu, on the other hand, got the shaft. they showed two pots and she got owned in each of them. she didn't play just insanely great, but she mixed it up a lot. there was one great call she made against allen with sixes on a board with three overs. allen checked the ace on the turn, and the river. he had made aces with something like a jack kicker and just checked it down after being called on the turn. she was pretty aggressive when she got chips, and played relatively well.

espn did a better job from what i could tell with these two episodes, but one hour is far from enough to summarize a six to seven hour (and sometimes more) final table at the WSOP. like i told you... just wait till they show your one hand and everyone has no idea the context of the play! they'll show you fold a few hands, maybe take down a small pot, then bam, you're all-in with king jack. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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liz lieu, on the other hand, got the shaft.

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LOL [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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heh, you didn't have to take it that way.

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Yea how about the 9 5 battle of the blinds hand between fischman and devilfish. That was an insanely good read and NL at its best.

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Scott has always impressed me with his play. I really think he's one of the true up and commers of poker, with skills in a variety of games.

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I know that a lot of people around here seem to dislike him, but I thought he played amazing poker during the $1,500 NL tonight.

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Scott is a very good player, no doubt about that.

The reason alot of people dislike him is because his best friend is the con man Dutch Boyd. For those who don't know - Dutch Boyd once had an online poker site and he closed it down and ran off with all the players money. A real class act. Now Scott has his own site - thefishtank.com - and I have read people on forums saying that Dutch Boyd is really a part owner of the fish tank and anyone who would put money in a Dutch Boyd site - or a site run by his closest friend is crazy.

So Scott is indeed a good poker player - but he hangs around with people who have cheated poker players out of money and he supposedly has started a website with that person now - that's why some people dislike him.

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I also found him very tough to read, bluffing or not, he gave NOTHING away.

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The reason alot of people dislike him is because his best friend is the con man Dutch Boyd.

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Actually the reason I dislike him, as well as every other sucessful poker pro, is that, like, I am totally better than him, and he just gets really lucky a lot.

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i taped the show, stopped the tape, rewound it, and still couldnt figure out what the hell devilfish said to him

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I deleted the episode off my TiVo already unfortunately, but I believe Ulliott said "I guarantee I had the best hand," to which Fischman replied "I'm thinking king-six."

Despite the pose, I'm fairly certain Fischman knew he was beat in that hand and was just trying to goad Ulliott into revealing his hand by talking about junk hands.

Either way, good laydown. But I'm curious as to why Ulliott would run a squeeze play with such a good hand... seems like he left money on the table by reraising all-in there.

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Reverse squeeze. Incredible play, nearly got the Fish believing it... Plus his overbets have insane fold equity in cash games now after the broadcast. The guy's a genius.

I love that he said: "If you can't beat 'em join 'em!" after hi5ing the railbirds. Hilarious.

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I also found him very tough to read, bluffing or not, he gave NOTHING away.

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On a similar note, I was shocked to hear Norman Chad actually noticing that Fischman puts his chips in exactly the same way every time. Harrington says that is a major tell players give off and Fischman is well aware of that.

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Fischman's flop bet might have looked like he was trying to buy the pot - as many will often do. Having failed to win the bet on the flop, many will check the turn - and often will be perceived as weak, thus enticing their opponent to either bet on 4th street or to put more chips into the pot than they otherwise would have on 5th street.

I think a turn check is quite standard here - I think it might get him a free card the next time he checks after a continuation bet (you'll want to leave doubt in your opponent's minds about what the turn check means in the future - strength or weakness) and he certainly isn't worried about giving a free card. What don't you like about the turn check here?

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I also found him very tough to read, bluffing or not, he gave NOTHING away.

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I watched him play a little bit at the main event this year. He appeared the most focused of any player I saw. It was sort of unnerving.

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he is very underrated around here. I tend to root against the young guns of poker, but he happens to be one of the players that i think will be around for a while.

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But you know the opponent was Allen Cunningham, right?

There is no standard play here, it depends on your opponent, versus Allen I think he could have won more chips if he bet the turn. Because with his play; check the turn and bet the river, he won exactly O extra chips.

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hey does anyone know what devilfish said to him after scott folded 88 and asked him "did i fold the best hand?"

devilfish had kk reraised all in preflop and after scott's lame speech and fold devilfish went around high 5ing

i taped the show, stopped the tape, rewound it, and still couldnt figure out what the hell devilfish said to him

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He said "If you can't beat them, join them" in reference to the other people going into the crowd...he ignored Scott's question.

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But you know the opponent was Allen Cunningham, right?

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It's true you can't expect opponents like Allen to make a big mistake vs you, but I agree with Don's analysis that Scott's line was arguably the best way to induce a bluff/bet on the river.

I imagine you would have been even more unimpressed if he had just smooth-called the flop, like most players would have done instinctively.

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But Allen called the raise in the flop Shane, so Scott should think he has something and therefore the bet in the turn. Hard to think Allen called the raise in the flop with the intention of bluff betting the river.

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I understand your point (also, do you think Allen would have paid Scott off on the turn if he had bet, considering that Allen's hand actually improved?) but Scott is checking the turn for a reason: It makes his flop play look suspect--like he was just trying to steal the pot. I really think checking the turn gives Allen ample opportunity and reason to represent a queen on the river. I'm sure there were other considerations inherent to the hand that neither of us are qualified to decipher.

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When I saw the action in the turn, that was the 1st thing I thought, what would be the optimal size of the bet in the turn such that, Allen called or Allen reraised him but not folded.

By the way, Allen is not representing a Q in the river, if Allen has a Q, he's not playing the Q that slow, and Scott knows that. But you're right about other considerations we don't know about.

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He's shown that he has some serious talent. The issue that most people have with Scotty is the manner in which he conducted himself when he first burst onto the scene in 2004

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I had no problem with that, for the most part. His comments about taking over the poker world were not appealing, but I didn't mind the bit about falling onto his back on the poker table, nor his high-spiritedness after winning.

If he cut all ties to Dutch, then he would be on my list of good poker players who are also nice guys.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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He's shown that he has some serious talent. The issue that most people have with Scotty is the manner in which he conducted himself when he first burst onto the scene in 2004

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I had no problem with that, for the most part. His comments about taking over the poker world were not appealing, but I didn't mind the bit about falling onto his back on the poker table, nor his high-spiritedness after winning.

If he cut all ties to Dutch, then he would be on my list of good poker players who are also nice guys.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Greg, this may be a dumb question, but have you crossed paths with Scott over a poker table? Did he seem like a loose-aggressive player to you, or is that just the impression I get from the TV highlights?

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He's shown that he has some serious talent. The issue that most people have with Scotty is the manner in which he conducted himself when he first burst onto the scene in 2004

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I had no problem with that, for the most part. His comments about taking over the poker world were not appealing, but I didn't mind the bit about falling onto his back on the poker table, nor his high-spiritedness after winning.

If he cut all ties to Dutch, then he would be on my list of good poker players who are also nice guys.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Greg, this may be a dumb question, but have you crossed paths with Scott over a poker table? Did he seem like a loose-aggressive player to you, or is that just the impression I get from the TV highlights?

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FWIW....

I've played with Scott before and after his TV appearances.

TV, as it has been said many times, can be very deceiving.

I found Scott to be an excellent player. Knows the game. Hard to read. Tricky. Good reader. Aggressive when he feels he can be. Not afraid to make a move based on his reads.

As far as his personality....I found him very friendly & talkative; basically a high energy kind of guy.

I was a bit surprised (and somewhat dissappointed) that he got caught up with some of the guys that he did, but we all wander down the wrong path from time to time.

Hopefully he's learned better by now.

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His comments about taking over the poker world were not appealing, but I didn't mind the bit about falling onto his back on the poker table, nor his high-spiritedness after winning.


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Well, I actually didn't mind his original comments (back in 2003 right?) since it was incidental to Dutch Boyd's "spotlight."
I did have a slight problem with the falling on the poker table because it seemed at the expense of Joe Awada (of course anything in poker is at someone else's expense [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] ). I guess he was really excited to come back and win the event.
I do enjoy the articles he writes for Cardplayer so that has def. changed my opinion on him.

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what show/tourney was this?

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what show/tourney was this?

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Please tell me you are joking...? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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what show/tourney was this?

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I don't understand this response--he's clearly not joking.

The show referred to in this thread was the 1500 NL that Allen Cunnighman won at the WSOP 2005.

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I pretty much felt the same way about him from what I've seen on tv.