Flopped Top Set .... now what?
 

Live 1-2 NL I cover everyone with 700 or so, 2nd biggest has 350

6 Limpers to me in SB I raise to 22 with QQ.... 4 to the flop

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I lead for 30, wanting to see what develops on the flop, and what card hits the turn before commiting half my stack... is this always wrong?

Of course, if raised on the flop Im pushing

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The flop bet is gross. Bet more unless you feel like having sime clown draw out on you.

Also, who says you have to put in half your stack on the turn? What if a card like the Ace [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] falls?

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bet 2/3 to 3/4 pot man, that flop bet is WEAK

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That bet is entirely too weak, especially since you raised pre. The only thing that beats you is a flopped str8, which is unlikely. More than likely at least one is on a decent draw. You need a stronger lead bet to find out where you are and hopefully take the pot down right there. You are playing scared here which can never be a winner long term. Now if there was no threat on the board that is a different story, but as it is you are giving everyone in the hand odds to draw to an already threatening board. You are also opening the door to having to lay down the best hand on the turn. Strong players look for these opporutnities to steal pots from timid players.

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You also want a drawing hand to try to bluff you here,or make an incorrect call. Actually giving such good odds is ridiculous...

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Given the size of the pot, a drawing hand might definitly shove if he thinks he has any folding equity all, so bet 2/3 of the pot here and call all their shoves.

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i would rather check than bet 30. at least you have a better chance of action behind you so you can push.

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Well at least we all agree, obviously this is not my normal line, but I was hoping to either get raised, or build a pot Id hammer on the turn.....back to basics [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Pretty much 100% agree with all of the other posts. With over $100 in the pot you have to bet at least $60. The only thing that might make your play work is if someone views your bet as a weak bluff and will try pick up the pot with a pair/draw. Personally, I would have just potted the flop.

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To take from Harrington's book, if someone out there is on a flush draw, betting 2/3 of the pot will have your opponent making a mistake if he calls. In this instance, it is a coordinated board with 2 flush cards. I would immediately think to bet big because I do not want to get outdrawn. You have a great hand, but certainly would not complain to take the pot right there. I agree that even checking the flop is superior to making a weak bet, since u can push if anyone bets. But checking risks giving a free card, so really the only good play is to make a stiff bet and force your opponents to make a mistake to chase their draws.

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Harrington also says that if you're getting 3:1 for a flush draw, you may have the implied odds to take it, at least on the flop.

I like checking. But after reading everyone's responses, I like overbetting the pot. If the pot is $100, put in a larger bet, keeping in mind their stack sizes, perhaps $130-$150. The flop is dangerous, you probably will be played with. Now if they call, fine. Most likely they will fold or go all in. But if you just take the pot, that's fine too. Also overbetting may be taken as a sign of weakness. I think one advantage of overbetting, is that with top set, you're fairly pot-committed anyway. If they call, you'll put them all-in on the turn if it's a blank.

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I raise to 22 with QQ

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4 to the flop

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Yummy.