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Hi All,

I have been talking to this new start up site for most of the evening. As you can imagine they have been watching this thread with keen interest.

After reading the thread and discussing it with me, they have to decided to open up the floodgates. Against their original (maybe better) judgement they will not limit the number of players that want to participate. It is with one exception, and that would be if there were too many players at one particular limit, they might cap that limit.

They are also going to raise the "safety net" feature to 45% of rake generated, with the total still being 75% credit of rake towards WSOP/WPT events. Their reasoning here being is that want this to be competitive with what any affiliate may offer once their site launches. Important note, if this does happen and you sign up through an affiliate first, you would not be eligible for this program. At this point, I want to again stress that I am not an affiliate for this site or any other. I am not an employee for this site or any other. I will not be earning any portion of any player's rake, nor do I want to. I am just a high volume player who wants the best deal I can get from an online site along with alot of other players at this site and fortunately you kind folks at the zoo with all your support are probably going to make it happen!

More good news! The time period to qualify for a WSOP/WPT event will be raised to nine months to allow lower limit players a chance to participate.

More better news! Higher volume/rake generating players will have the opportunity to qualify for multiple WSOP/WPT events throughout the nine month time period.

8 tabling will be possible, but you will probably have two accounts. (Much like TruePoker did for me)

They are discussing the option of allowing STTs and MTTs to count.

They will have SH tables and HU tables.

I think I have ran out of things to say, but I have the feeling I might be missing something. It just came to me. They calculate their rake paid on a "party model". That is, if there are 10 players at the table and the pot is raked
$ 2.00, each player at the table is credited with .20 of rake contributed.

Ok, now I think I'm done.

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Hi All,

I have been talking to this new start up site for most of the evening. As you can imagine they have been watching this thread with keen interest.

After reading the thread and discussing it with me, they have to decided to open up the floodgates. Against their original (maybe better) judgement they will not limit the number of players that want to participate. It is with one exception, and that would be if there were too many players at one particular limit, they might cap that limit.

They are also going to raise the "safety net" feature to 45% of rake generated, with the total still being 75% credit of rake towards WSOP/WPT events. Their reasoning here being is that want this to be competitive with what any affiliate may offer once their site launches. Important note, if this does happen and you sign up through an affiliate first, you would not be eligible for this program. At this point, I want to again stress that I am not an affiliate for this site or any other. I am not an employee for this site or any other. I will not be earning any portion of any player's rake, nor do I want to. I am just a high volume player who wants the best deal I can get from an online site along with alot of other players at this site and fortunately you kind folks at the zoo with all your support are probably going to make it happen!

More good news! The time period to qualify for a WSOP/WPT event will be raised to nine months to allow lower limit players a chance to participate.

More better news! Higher volume/rake generating players will have the opportunity to qualify for multiple WSOP/WPT events throughout the nine month time period.

8 tabling will be possible, but you will probably have two accounts. (Much like TruePoker did for me)

They are discussing the option of allowing STTs and MTTs to count.

They will have SH tables and HU tables.

I think I have ran out of things to say, but I have the feeling I might be missing something. It just came to me. They calculate their rake paid on a "party model". That is, if there are 10 players at the table and the pot is raked
$ 2.00, each player at the table is credited with .20 of rake contributed.

Ok, now I think I'm done.

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WELL WELL DONE ODOYLE!!!!

This is perfect. Now, if only they can get players...

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Great Job O Doyle! Like others, I am interested in this. The amount I play there will depend upon the availability of games.

One thing that would be nice -- the option to play for the buy-in only, or a prize package with travel expenses (and maybe some spending money) included.

I would personally prefer a prize package that pays for my flight/hotel, and maybe a little bit of spending cash ($500 - $1000 - but that part is not necesary), obviously, I would play more raked hands to earn the travel package as well, unless the site is generous like stars and kicks something in for wearing their logowear. Others obviously (especially those that live close to one of the tournaments, would prefer buy in only).

Do you know what there current plans are as far as prize packages vs. direct buy-ins only would be?

I can't wait to get started. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

EDIT: I would actually prefer to receive cash from the site to provide my own travel arrangements, anything i don't use would be spending money. However, like i said I don't know how the current deal is set up.

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Also, would we get our choice of any WSOP event (including the WSOP circuit), and/or WPT events, or is there a limited number of tournaments we would be eligible for? Any talk of EPT events?

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Consider me very interested.

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If 8-tabling will only be possible by having 2 accounts, I am assuming that they have no qualms with this and that players who have 2 accounts will be able to link these accounts for total rake calculations.

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When do we start?

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Awesome news O...

Keep up the good work!

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If 8-tabling will only be possible by having 2 accounts,

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not to rain on anyone's parade or anything...but the site actually has to have 8-tables running for 8-tabling to be possible.
And for a brand new start-up site this might not happen.

If they have some great marketing somehow (maybe they're attached to a sportsbook like Bodog or something like that) then maybe they'll have that many tables.
If they're figuring out ways to allow players to 8-table then it seems they think that this could be a possibility.

But there are enough start-up sites out there where 8-tabling consistently would be near impossible. So this whole 8-tabling bit may be a moot point. Of course...everyone will only know for sure once we learn the site and see what kind of action there is there.

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If 8-tabling will only be possible by having 2 accounts,

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Your so smart Bob.



not to rain on anyone's parade or anything...but the site actually has to have 8-tables running for 8-tabling to be possible.
And for a brand new start-up site this might not happen.

If they have some great marketing somehow (maybe they're attached to a sportsbook like Bodog or something like that) then maybe they'll have that many tables.
If they're figuring out ways to allow players to 8-table then it seems they think that this could be a possibility.

But there are enough start-up sites out there where 8-tabling consistently would be near impossible. So this whole 8-tabling bit may be a moot point. Of course...everyone will only know for sure once we learn the site and see what kind of action there is there.

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If 8-tabling will only be possible by having 2 accounts, I am assuming that they have no qualms with this and that players who have 2 accounts will be able to link these accounts for total rake calculations.

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That would be my understanding.

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not to rain on anyone's parade or anything...but the site actually has to have 8-tables running for 8-tabling to be possible.
And for a brand new start-up site this might not happen.

If they have some great marketing somehow (maybe they're attached to a sportsbook like Bodog or something like that) then maybe they'll have that many tables.
If they're figuring out ways to allow players to 8-table then it seems they think that this could be a possibility.

But there are enough start-up sites out there where 8-tabling consistently would be near impossible. So this whole 8-tabling bit may be a moot point. Of course...everyone will only know for sure once we learn the site and see what kind of action there is there.

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Hey Bob,

You're not raining on my parade, you are just a realist.

Me, I am an idealist with realistic expectations and I have all the same concerns you do. This site will have to do some serious upfront marketing to drive players to their site so it can handle this flow of high volume players.

Here's hoping they can pull it off as it will be very beneficial for players, forcing the online poker rooms to compete harder for our business.

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Great Job O Doyle especially on the longer period for us that are low limit guys.

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Also, would we get our choice of any WSOP event (including the WSOP circuit), and/or WPT events, or is there a limited number of tournaments we would be eligible for? Any talk of EPT events?

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A lot of these things will have to be fine-tuned, but it is my impression that they will be fairly flexible.

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When do we start?

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I am thinking and (hoping) it will be sooner than later.

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You've done a really good job with this. Regardless of how it works out in the end, you really came back with a great answer to all the good questions I heard about the arrangement.

Martin

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A couple people who expressed interest in this idea are under 21, so I am really hoping they're flexible in which events we'd be allowed to enter since the list is a lot smaller for us. Great job overall Doyle!

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O Doyle RULES!

So um, can I re-enlist (given I wasn't going to be able to be part of the first wave of players, but I do want to get started on paying lots of rake over the next 9 months so I can go WSOP)?

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Genius. I'm in.

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glad that it looks like this thing is going to get off the ground and that some of the lower limit players like myself will have a shot as well.

I might not play high stakes, but i'm willing to put in a ton of hands to try and accomplish it.

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glad that it looks like this thing is going to get off the ground and that some of the lower limit players like myself will have a shot as well.

I might not play high stakes, but i'm willing to put in a ton of hands to try and accomplish it.

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Well done O'Doyle!

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Nice work O'Doyle. Any idea when we find out who this is? A large sportsbook would be ideal, especially pinnacle.

I hope this works out, even if it turns out to be the next games grid I wanted to thank you for the effort.

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Now, what's the name of the site? Browntroutpoker.com [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I wish you guys the best of luck with this project!

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I haven't replyed since the original post, but I've been keeping up, and I'm still in. Is the site going to have some way of letting us view our progress?

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This sounds great. I'm in. Hopefully there be a way to see the progress in rake.
Thanks O Dyle's again for all the effort.
Gene

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Great Job O Doyle! Like others, I am interested in this. The amount I play there will depend upon the availability of games.

One thing that would be nice -- the option to play for the buy-in only, or a prize package with travel expenses (and maybe some spending money) included.

I would personally prefer a prize package that pays for my flight/hotel, and maybe a little bit of spending cash ($500 - $1000 - but that part is not necesary), obviously, I would play more raked hands to earn the travel package as well, unless the site is generous like stars and kicks something in for wearing their logowear. Others obviously (especially those that live close to one of the tournaments, would prefer buy in only).

Do you know what there current plans are as far as prize packages vs. direct buy-ins only would be?

I can't wait to get started. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

EDIT: I would actually prefer to receive cash from the site to provide my own travel arrangements, anything i don't use would be spending money. However, like i said I don't know how the current deal is set up.

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Keep in mind this promo is still in it's infancy. I think the site at this point is just looking at the dollar amount to send someone to a major poker event, I'm thinking 12k, 10k for the entry fee and 2k for travel expense/hotel. This would mean a player would need to generate 16k in rake to qualify for one trip. As far as an exact list of events, I am sure that will be determined.

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This is very good news. I am interested. Thank you for your efforts.

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Kudos for doing a fantastic job on this. I'm still interested. I know that you will keep us informed.

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I was thinking about the amount of rake that will need to be generated (16K) for someone to qualify for a 12k WSOP/WPT event.

I know from the one tab (can't remember which one)on Poker Tracker it shows the average rake taken out of each pot. You can divide that figure by the average number of players at the table. This is from memory but I think from my $5/$10 SH play the average rake was close to .25 cents a hand for me. This would mean to qualify for a WSOP/WPT trip it would only take approximately 64K hands!

Would anyone out there be so kind to look this stat up on their Poker Tracker for whatever limit they play and convert it the amount of hands that they would need to qualify for a WSOP/WPT trip? I think it would be kind of neat to know the approximate number of hands needed for each particular limit. Thanks in advance.

One more note, the site has agreed to give low limit players up to nine months to qualify and higher limit players could qualify for several events during the nine months. Assuming that even a $5/$10 SH player would still have the same 9 month period to qualify for just one trip, he would only need to play a little over 7k hands a month! Assuming for higher limit players, they keep the time period at 6 months to qualify for one trip, this still would only be 10,667 hands a month!

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Nice work O'Doyle. Any idea when we find out who this is?

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Thanks, I think it will be shortly, however, I think there possibly could be a potential problem if I reveal the name of this site on this forum I could be accused of spamming for that site and all posts would be deleted if deemed to be spam by the moderator.

Hopefully this could be clarified as I naturally would not want this to happen and I'm sure that many players at this site would not like to see that as well.

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Why dont you start your own message board for specifically for "Odoyle Army"? I think you can have a board for free some places. That way we could talk openly about whatever we want. Anyone else involved in the project could talk openly about the "unmentionable" subjects as well.

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Great work O Doyle! I can't wait to hear all the finalized details. It would feel great to know the majority of my rake was going towards sending me to a major tournament.

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Nice work Cranium. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] It seems to me, that the way this has been arranged will greatly benefit every player here.

One note to everybody. Lets all be professional about our play there and understand that it won't immediately be as good pickings as Party. If the games are in short supply, or are short handed, we should all strive to still give this new site plenty of action - and doing so is in the best interest of all of us.

No other site has offered anything remotely similar to this except the Gaming Club and True (where the qualifying period was tiny), lets not whine and cry right away if the games aren't great. I'll plug away even if they are bad, because I can see the end result. (sorry for preaching, but give it a chance)

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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I'm still in for this aswell. I have a few questions though.

1. Will we only be able to qualify for 10K events or will we be able to qualify for some of the smaller events in the WSOP/WPT?

2. Will there be any tracking software on the site to figure out how far along we are?

Thanks for setting this up!

Durs

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This is an excellent question. I'm sure it is a detail that hasn't been worked out yet but here is my scenario. I live near Foxwoods and would be more interested in that WPT event than any other, but it is in October, could I take the 75% rakeback and play in say... the $1K or $2K prelim event instead of the championship? That would be much more fruitful for me.
~Justin

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Only a matter of time before Matt waves his magic administrative wand and makes this thread **POOF**

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Only a matter of time before Matt waves his magic administrative wand and makes this thread **POOF**

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Mat was right - a bunch of whinners here. Was your post really necessary?

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Not exactly sure how my post makes me a whiner. That kind of makes zero sense.

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Nice work Cranium. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] It seems to me, that the way this has been arranged will greatly benefit every player here.

One note to everybody. Lets all be professional about our play there and understand that it won't immediately be as good pickings as Party. If the games are in short supply, or are short handed, we should all strive to still give this new site plenty of action - and doing so is in the best interest of all of us.

No other site has offered anything remotely similar to this except the Gaming Club and True (where the qualifying period was tiny), lets not whine and cry right away if the games aren't great. I'll plug away even if they are bad, because I can see the end result. (sorry for preaching, but give it a chance)

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Thanks, dog. I don't know if it benefits every player, but I think it would for the vast majority.

I really appreciate your second point. Chances are the games are going to be far from perfect in the short run and lets face it, with any start up site there has got to be some problems. Hopefully, if we show the proper patience in both these regards and look at the big picture we will all benefit at the end of this "experiment".

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I'm still in for this aswell. I have a few questions though.

1. Will we only be able to qualify for 10K events or will we be able to qualify for some of the smaller events in the WSOP/WPT?

2. Will there be any tracking software on the site to figure out how far along we are?

Thanks for setting this up!

Durs

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I would tend to think the answer to question # 1 would be no.

Lets run through a scenario, a player generates 16k in rake, which 45% he is able to take on a monthly/or maybe weekly basis. Assuming he does that and so he collects $ 7,200 in the "safety net" feature . The balance of $ 4,800 would be payable if and only if he goes to a major poker event. Which means he is going to have to put his "safety net" money with it to purchase the package. (Or at least $5,200 and the player could probably just keep the 2k for travel expense) I don't think the site would allow the player to play in several smaller events because they might not get the benefit of an "army" of us represnting them showing up to play in a particular main event.

Just my thoughts, but I can run it by them to see if it the same example, say, a player wanted to enter 2 2k events, then he could just keep his $ 7,200 in safety net money, the site would pay the 4k for the 2 different events and the other $ 800 could perhaps be rolled over to the next qualifying period. Interesting and I like it, not just sure if they will.

I am fairly confident the answer to the second question is yes, but I will clarify it.