80/160 Quad Aces at the Borgata (Low Content)
 

I don't know if any of you were at the Borgata in the wee hours of the morning this Saturday, but this awesome hand went down in the 80/160 game:

I raise under the gun with AA, and UTG+1 3 bets me with 88 and I cap it. The flop is AA6. Naturally, I check and he checks behind. The turn is an 8. I bet, he smooth calls, planning to raise the river. The river is another 8. We go 6 bets on the river before he finds out his baby quads are no good. Love it.

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talk about losing the minimum

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Yeah, he actually played it so well. Most people would have probably lost 2 or 4 more bets on the river. Nonetheless, the pot was 18.5 big bets, which isn't too shabby.

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How did he react? That's good playing by both of you.

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fold preflop [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Your flop check reeks of a monster. Although I don't know if you can bet there since the deck is so crippled.

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nh!

I flopped quad aces on the 2/4 at Borgata Friday night. lol
rigged.

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Only six bets? You got robbed.

al

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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That was my thought.

I can't believe he shut down at bet 6.

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I was there on sat playing 3/6. Didnt see the hand but heard all the shouting from across the room. Good job.

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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As would I.

When you checked the flop god killed a kitten.

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checking after pf cap says "moster" in flashing neon. Course I don't play 80-160 so maybe not in this game?

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checking after pf cap says "moster" in flashing neon. Course I don't play 80-160 so maybe not in this game?

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Of course checking the flop reeks of a monster, as many of you have pointed out. But I just counterfeited the entire deck on the flop, so no matter how obvious it was, I needed to give him a chance to catch up a little. I am fairly confident he would have folded to a flop bet. This guy was doing everything he could to avoid playing hands with me. That's why I think he only went 6 bets on the river.

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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Yeah, of course a few more bets would be more appropriate and well-deserved, but do you have any suggestions for how to get them? I thought I milked it as well as I could. Not sure how else to play that hand.

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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Yeah, of course a few more bets would be more appropriate and well-deserved, but do you have any suggestions for how to get them? I thought I milked it as well as I could. Not sure how else to play that hand.

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After he makes it five to go on the river, go 'into the tank' and really think hard and sigh and put on a big depressed act that the board just double paired and say, you know, I don't think you have an Ace, and MAKE IT SIX!

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i like saying this better:

well, at least we can have fun with this chop...

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Yeah, of course a few more bets would be more appropriate and well-deserved, but do you have any suggestions for how to get them?

Get a more aggro image. Alternatively, next time you flop quad aces against smaller quads, try to make sure a K or a Q is the 5th board card.

Also: refrain from 4-betting this preflop heads up a fair amount of the time, it's much easier to induce excessive postflop action that way.

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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Yeah, of course a few more bets would be more appropriate and well-deserved, but do you have any suggestions for how to get them? I thought I milked it as well as I could. Not sure how else to play that hand.

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Bet the flop and he'll be 100% sure there's no way you have AA. Not re-raising pre-flop is another option. If you didn't reraise preflop and you bet the flop, I bet you would have gone about 50 bets on the river.

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I raise under the gun with AA, and UTG+1 3 bets me with 88 and I cap it

Since when did the Borgata make it capped betting heads up?

but this surreal hand went down in the 80/160 game:

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it was only awesome to one of you

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...359&Forum=,


The Business...read this post.

Now I really wonder if this hand happened.

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This guy was doing everything he could to avoid playing hands with me.

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Is that why he 3bet you w/ 88 from UTG+1?

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No bad beat jackpot at the Borgata?

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At least you got 6 bets out of him [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I don't mean to hijack but this doesn't really need it's own thread.

I was at Canterbury playing 3/6 with AA UTG. I just called it and utg+1 raised. Got somewhere around 3 callers before I re-raised. UTG+1 called and so did the others. Flop came Q Q X. I bet, UTG+1 raises, not sure about the others, I called. Turn is a blank, I check, he bets, not sure about the others, I call. River is the A, I bet, he raises, others fold i believe, I re-raise, he says, "I know you have it, and calls."

He flipped over AQ, wow what a read...

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Forget about the big bets, I would have gone for more small ones! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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No bad beat jackpot at the Borgata?

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Not in $80-160

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Not in any game there.

Jeff

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At least you got 6 bets out of him [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I don't mean to hijack but this doesn't really need it's own thread.

I was at Canterbury playing 3/6 with AA UTG. I just called it and utg+1 raised. Got somewhere around 3 callers before I re-raised. UTG+1 called and so did the others. Flop came Q Q X. I bet, UTG+1 raises, not sure about the others, I called. Turn is a blank, I check, he bets, not sure about the others, I call. River is the A, I bet, he raises, others fold i believe, I re-raise, he says, "I know you have it, and calls."

He flipped over AQ, wow what a read...

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Well, you did limp reraise. and bet out when the A hit.

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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Yeah, of course a few more bets would be more appropriate and well-deserved, but do you have any suggestions for how to get them? I thought I milked it as well as I could. Not sure how else to play that hand.

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After he makes it five to go on the river, go 'into the tank' and really think hard and sigh and put on a big depressed act that the board just double paired and say, you know, I don't think you have an Ace, and MAKE IT SIX!

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This is the equivalent of turning over your hand and making it six. Nothing screams the pure nuts like a stupid Hollywooding job. The best way to go about it is just raising as fast as possible each time it's your turn. Then it looks like you have Ax and aren't really thinking.

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The best way to go about it is just raising as fast as possible each time it's your turn. Then it looks like you have Ax and aren't really thinking.

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Absolute truth. Back this 100%. Play real fast. That way your opponent also has less time to think, gets caught in the moment and before you know it he's given you 2 more BB that he didn't want to.

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Was there a bad beat jackpot? :P

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I don't understand how the river went an even number of bets. If you're leading and he's putting in the 2- and 4-bets, then he puts in the 6-bet. Did you just call with the nuts? Or did he call your 5-bet or 7-bet? Or did you make this hand up?

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Hell, I'm a big fish, and I wouldn't have called your last reraise. (limp/re-raise, bet/call, check/call and a reraise on the river A? What else could you possibly be playing?)

On second thought - i probably couldn't get away either, but I'd know I was beat, too.

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Doesn't that only apply when the round starts heads up? If there are more than 2 players in at the start, I thought the cap was still in effect.

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If the third player doesn't call any bets before it becomes headsup, then there is no cap.

Jeff

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If I only got 7 big bets on the turn and river in this spot I'd be pretty annoyed.

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Yeah, of course a few more bets would be more appropriate and well-deserved, but do you have any suggestions for how to get them? I thought I milked it as well as I could. Not sure how else to play that hand.

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After he makes it five to go on the river, go 'into the tank' and really think hard and sigh and put on a big depressed act that the board just double paired and say, you know, I don't think you have an Ace, and MAKE IT SIX!

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This is the equivalent of turning over your hand and making it six. Nothing screams the pure nuts like a stupid Hollywooding job. The best way to go about it is just raising as fast as possible each time it's your turn. Then it looks like you have Ax and aren't really thinking.

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I really need to start using the [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] symbols.

Of course 'Hollywooding' isn't going to get more bets! How absurd. My point was that playing the hand better would have gotten more bets, but instead it was played like a live 2/4 game. So, 'Hollywooding' would be the only appropriate way to beat the game for more BB/hand! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Formated for absurdity.

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checking after pf cap says "moster" in flashing neon. Course I don't play 80-160 so maybe not in this game?

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Of course checking the flop reeks of a monster, as many of you have pointed out. But I just counterfeited the entire deck on the flop, so no matter how obvious it was, I needed to give him a chance to catch up a little. I am fairly confident he would have folded to a flop bet. This guy was doing everything he could to avoid playing hands with me. That's why I think he only went 6 bets on the river.

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Here's my thinking on hands like this - you're probably not going to get action anyway. You need him to think there's a chance you don't have an ace. Seems to me against any aware player this is best done by betting the flop! I think this is more likely to get you action than hoping he hits a 2 outer on the turn - which he did in this case.

Unless there's a sizable jackpot relative to the stakes, I'm betting this flop every time at any limit. Since it was capped pre-flop it's not like the pot is tiny - he just might convince himself his pp is good (JJ-KK) OR decide he can steal the pot by representing an ace, and play back at you.

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I think he played it 100% oorrectly. Had he bet the flop, 88 might have run like the wind. He checked his monster, and he allowed 88 to back into a boat and then into quads on the river. It just so happened he was up against decent player, who correctly read his hand from the action.

Instead of feeling unlucky that you didnt get unlimited raises on the river, I would feel very lucky that your lone opponent backed into a huge hand. Had he had pocket 99's instead of 88's, what action would you have gotten?

-J

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What hands does he have, even without and Ace, that 88 isn't drawing to 2 outs with on the flop?

Keep in mind all the pre-flop action.

-d