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PokerGrade yourself!
I don't know how many of you have heard of PokerGrader, but I just did tonight and after messing around with it I really think it could help a lot of people just starting out or with relatively little experience (I think it useful for anyone to take a look at, but it seems like it could really do these people a TON of good). At the very least it could give you an idea of what area of your game you need to work and and you can focus on posting and responding to hands in that area.
- Go to www.pokergrader.com - Download the client (click the click in the green box) and install it - Open the client and click on "PokerTracker" on the left - Type the number of hands you want to analyze (I'd suggest 5k since it's the max) and click ok - Click "Export Current Tables to PokerGrader" - Pick a file name, save it and remember where it is - Go back to www.pokergrader.com - Click "File Mode" under the green box - Browse, find the file you made earlier, double click it - Click "Get Report Card" - Give it a minute to process and click the link to get your report card (if it isn't working yet give it a little more time and keep refreshing the page until it works) It gives some pretty interesting outputs and at the very least it's a place to start looking for leaks in your game. You can post links to your reports if you want or just use the info to focus on ways you need to improve. I'd suggest posting the links so that you can compare with each other and it'll also be fun. Hope this helps some of you out. |
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(I'd suggest 5k since it's the max) [/ QUOTE ] how long does this take evan? |
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It took about 4 minutes for it to grade my last 5k hands.
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Cool program, it gave me an overall grade of a 'B'. I'm not good at bluffing appearantly. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Perhaps you have turned a net loss bluffing. I put a session I played into this thing about a month ago where I didn't bluff once and it still gave me an A.
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Perhaps you have turned a net loss bluffing. I put a session I played into this thing about a month ago where I didn't bluff once and it still gave me an A. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, i was being kinda sarcastic with my comment. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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You suck Evan.
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i kinda think its an alright tool not that its totally accurate and im taking it mearly as a simple guide.
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i kinda think its an alright tool not that its totally accurate and im taking it mearly as a simple guide. [/ QUOTE ] That's all it was meant for. I think it's a good place to look for leaks if you're not sure of what you need to improve. |
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NOTE TO OTHERS: only Empire and Party Poker HH work with this program.
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Not even the other skins? Aren't the HH's all the same?
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Not even the other skins? Aren't the HH's all the same? [/ QUOTE ] All my recent HH are from UB, so i followed all the steps to get my grade and it just sat there. clicked the "help" and it said: [ QUOTE ] Currently only Empirepoker/Partypoker hand histories are supported. [/ QUOTE ] |
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I knew it! Over the past 5,000 hands (actually 4,800) I've been sitting in some sort of luck black hole!
Luck Expected Flop Strength per $ (Actual): 64.67% (62) Expected Turn Strength per $ (Actual): 70.86% (67) Expected River Strength per $ (Actual): 72.08% (68) Expected winning % per $ at showdown (Actual): 66226164778975076352.00% (52) (The first is "average", but the next 3 are "BAD LUCK" in big, red letters. I love this thing.) I knew I wasn't playing badly...I've just had bad luck!!! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] |
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"if luck wasn't involved, i'd win every hand"
Phil Hellmouth |
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"if luck wasn't involved, i'd win every hand" Phil Hellmouth [/ QUOTE ] The quote is "I'd win every one " not "hand." |
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I had the bad luck deal too. Apparently I've lost $900+. I don't see that on my PT stats anywhere, but it may be $900 I could've won, hand I not had horrendus stinking luck.
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I've been having bad luck as well (which I already knew). I think this thing is over rating people, at least in my case. Although I've been running bad, I've also been playing bad and I still got a B. It did point out I'm having problem with bluffing at the wrong time and doing it too often (which is valid and valuable information for me).
Thanks for the link. Luck Expected Flop Strength per $ (Actual): 66.50% (63) Expected Turn Strength per $ (Actual): 73.28% (69) Expected River Strength per $ (Actual): 75.29% (73) Expected winning % per $ at showdown (Actual): 64.04% (60) |
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How big is the export file supposed to be that you put into PokerGrader?
Using the PokerGrader client and picking Poker Tracker and using 5000 hands only gets me a 20 byte exported .gz file. Edit : PokerGrader client doesnt seem to work for me. After I click on Poker Tracker to the left and pick 5000 hands, it says its establishing a connection to the database. Then nothing changes after that and when I do an export (I did one without compression the 2nd time) it just gave me a blank .txt file. So I dunno whats wrong, but no worky for me =( |
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Thanks for that post Evan. This can be somewhat reassuring about one's game. I just did my last 5k hands. Here is a link for anyone that cares: here. My BB/100 is all screwy since I played several different levels in this time, and I also included some tourneys. I though I had been running poorly b/c of bad cards, and sure enough it seems I was not deluding myself.
I don't think Evan will mind if I provide a link to his grade since he posted it in SS: here is Evan's (from SS link). |
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WTFFFFFFFFFFFF
I got a C- [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] http://www.pokergrader.com/display.p...317506&p=1 |
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I got a B, apparently I could have made 1000 this month at 3/6 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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WTFFFFFFFFFFFF I got a C- [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] http://www.pokergrader.com/display.p...317506&p=1 [/ QUOTE ] Where are you people seeing the letter grades? |
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n/m... I found it.
I got an A despite earning about 3 bb/100 less than I "could have." wtf?????????????? |
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Here's mine. I suck [/ QUOTE ] Wrong. I actually suck. Final Grade "F" <ul type="square"> [*]VP$IP: 29.05, very fishy. (Even though I played a lot of short handed and HU, this is still too high I think). [*]Fold more when you are beaten, fish.[*]Value bet the river when you are ahead, fish.[*]Don't autobet every flop you were the last PFR, fish.[*]Don't bluff so much? I had no idea I was bluffing at all . Apparently I am "value betting" some crap hands. [/list] -D |
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n/m... I found it. I got an A despite earning about 3 bb/100 less than I "could have." wtf?????????????? [/ QUOTE ] That 3 BB was purely due to luck. You get the grade based on what you "should" have earned. The green potential profit is the "slansky bucks you earned" line. The red line is reality. I wish the PG page explained that a little better. -D |
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I just did my last 5k hands. Here is a link for anyone that cares: here. [/ QUOTE ] Are the tourneys why your lines are so flat? |
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Durf C for me, it says "You are either bluffing too much or at the wrong times. Try bluffing less and only in optimal situations." I guess thats the shorthanded play and how much i push my overcards on the flop. I didnt even realize how hot i was running over my last 5k (~10BB/100) and it says i should be running 11+. That would be nice. Link
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i think we killed the pokergrader link...
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I got a C for sucking at bluffing, and running bad (BAD LUCK is what it said).
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[ QUOTE ] n/m... I found it. I got an A despite earning about 3 bb/100 less than I "could have." wtf?????????????? [/ QUOTE ] That 3 BB was purely due to luck. You get the grade based on what you "should" have earned. The green potential profit is the "slansky bucks you earned" line. The red line is reality. I wish the PG page explained that a little better. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I doubt I deserve an A simply due to my weak VPIP. I've been running bad so long I really question whether I have any skill at all. |
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Thanks for the post!
First I'll repost the post I made in the other thread, and I can answer any questions about PG you have. [ QUOTE ] Just as a note: Everything on the first page (the stats page), including potential profit, individual luck factors and technical stats, are what I would deem 99% accurate. The reason these are so accurate is they are just numbers calculated from your cards and the actual cards, nothing arbitrary about them. Where my judgement comes in, ie the "overall luck" factor for the leaderboard (still mostly numbers since it is a combination of the 4 indivudual stats, but still loses a little accuracy because of this), and the report card checks or Xs, are where it can get a little sketchy. I dont want people to base their lives on the report card page of PokerGrader. Just like it would be hard for you to grade your friends poker ability, it is that much harder for me to write a program to do it. That being said, if you want to base your emotions on the individual luck stats or potential profit, I can live with that. Since that is all math with none of my judgement, if your luck was bad luck, it was bad luck. If your potential profit is negative, then it was negative. It still doesn't mean you were playing badly, but it is a pretty accurate guide that you weren't. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Thanks for advising about this Evan.
I can't get my hand histories though because I process them and they don't remain under the Skin History folder after they are processed. Is there any work around for this that anyone knows of? Cheers, Tom Edit: I see PokerGrader posted at the same time I did. Can you advise about my question, PG? |
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Grading myself has confirmed what ive known for years now... i suck [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
myPokerGrader any input would be appreciated |
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You can download PokerGrader Client, which can import the hands from PokerTracker, then compress and anonymize them for use with PokerGrader.
Instructions: 1) Download and install PokerGrader Client. 2) Click the "PokerTracker" button under Import From... 3) Select however many hands you want to import 4) On the upper right, you can select exactly what limits you want to import. I would recommend deselecting any tournaments since they dont mix well with limit games. 5) Then once you have only the games you want, click "Export Cur Tables to PokerGrader" 6) Just pick a filename to save the hand histories as, and then go to PokerGrader.com, use "File Mode", and select the file you just created with PokerGrader. If you did everything correctly, it should be a .gz file, which is anonymized and compressed (for security and fast uploads). |
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Grading myself has confirmed what ive known for years now... i suck [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] myPokerGrader any input would be appreciated [/ QUOTE ] Play more hands. Your VP$IP should be up at about 20. Everything else seems OK, and you have been having some bad luck, but having a VP$IP of only 10 is really a huge leak. |
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Evidently I'm too passive :P I knew this, though. PokerTracker tells me the same thing wrt stats mentioned in the FAQ. My PFR has slowly been climbing, but I don't know of a good way to find out where I'm going wrong. Sure, I could post hands--but my problem is systemic. Anyone wanna sort through 5,000 hand histories and point out my mistakes?
my report card Bad luck on the river:[ QUOTE ] Expected River Strength per $ (Actual): 75.15% (70) Expected winning % per $ at showdown (Actual): 60.98% (55) [/ QUOTE ] |
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Ah well, I was planning on playing today, since I could get a good number of hours in. Instead, I think I'm going to read and re-read and re-read the preflop section of SSHE.
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6)... use "File Mode", and select the file you just created with PokerGrader. If you did everything correctly, it should be a .gz file, which is anonymized and compressed (for security and fast uploads). [/ QUOTE ] Hi PG: I got up to this point. In the "Select one or more hand history files to load" window, the "Types of Files" is "Hand History Files (*.txt) and I can't change it. Since the PGC file is a gz file, it doesn't see it, and I am therefore stuck here. |
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I got a B, quite impressed with that!
According to this I play a 6bb/100 game at 1/2, but only actually made 3.7BB/100 due to bad luck on the river. I can live with that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] http://www.pokergrader.com/display.p...565844&p=1 if anyone is remotely interested! Mat |
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