KQo against the last defender of the blinds
 

I've been at the table less than an orbit (posted in CO, and now I'm UTG+1).

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

He 3-bet me PF, might've just been defending, but might have something. When the K falls I figure I'm in WA/WB land...agree? I plan to call-call-raise UI, betting if checked to on the river.

Turn: (4.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero ?

Aw, eff. Well, there goes that plan...poor little guy, only lived for about 12 seconds. What's my line (actually, I know what MY line was...what would YOUR line be)?

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check, induce a bluff? (I'm doing that too much these days)

if checked on river, bet, fold to raise(assuming no [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])

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from my experience at 1/2 the players don't really focus much on adjusting to blind steals .. coupled with you raising in EP, its a legit raise a lot of the time here

anyway bet the turn, fold if raised he could have a hand like JJ or QQ and want to get to SD quickly.

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Im curious boz, why not reraise flop. I think that solves prob in two ways. Only two hands that beat you on flop AA Ak. if no reraise we have a decent read and if checked to on turn can then bet or take free card,although im inclined to bet out.IF raised on turn drop and if not then im bettin river. Is my thinkin screwed up or is this a viable play

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check, induce a bluff? (I'm doing that too much these days)

if checked on river, bet, fold to raise(assuming no [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])

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This line isn't unreasonable in most situations (in fact I would check behind almost everytime), but it isn't wise in this paticular spot. The 3 flush on board makes this one a must bet imo.

Brad

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Im curious boz, why not reraise flop.

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It's a good question, and one I was asking myself as I played the hand. As I said, when I got 3-bet by the OOP Villan and then caught my king on the flop, I put myself in WA/WB mode and picked a call-call-raise line.

Bitching and moaning
 

Oh, and I'm also in the midst of a run of the crappiest cards I've ever seen. For instance, I just had a hand folded to me on the button with ATo. I raise. Both blinds call. The flop came QQK. Long story short, the BB defended with K6o and wound up with kings full.

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sorry whats wa/wb/ tks

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This line isn't unreasonable in most situations (in fact I would check behind almost everytime), but it isn't wise in this paticular spot. The 3 flush on board makes this one a must bet imo.

Brad

WHy is this a definate three bet with flush represented on board brad. If its obvious im either way to tired or have some really bad holes in my game because i cant figure out why. both of which could be true

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cause a river [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] would be a nightmare

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Way Ahead/Way Behind. Usually defined as you have ~3 outs if Villan is ahead and Villan has ~3 outs if you're ahead. Classic example, raise AQs in MP, get 3-bet by a TAG and see a flop of Axxr.

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Hey rev if you were responding to my ques about three bettin flop i dont get your rely. only gonna get lower club draws to fold for two, i dont think A K c arent gonna take at least one stab although their call would in theory make them lose money.

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Hey rev if you were responding to my ques about three bettin flop i dont get your rely. only gonna get lower club draws to fold for two, i dont think A K c arent gonna take at least one stab although their call would in theory make them lose money.

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the reason you don't raise this flop is because, the worse hands like JJ, TT QQ are gonna get scared and either fold right away or fold the turn UI, but the better hands will 3bet, or bet the turn/ c/r the turn...

so you get very little value out of the hands that you have crushed, and get taken for extra bets by the hands that have you beat

its a line that gets good value when ahead, limits the loss when behind

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im sorry rev im confused now. Are you sayin you should raise flop or you shouldnt. Im tryin to understand

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my bust, thought you were talking about betting the turn

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Is there any good reason to three bet the flop like he did here?

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...he didn't?

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sorry my bad now got confused with another post but at least these count towards my ultimate goal of being the most unintelligant grand poohbah ever.

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Oh, and I'm also in the midst of a run of the crappiest cards I've ever seen. For instance, I just had a hand folded to me on the button with ATo. I raise. Both blinds call. The flop came QQK. Long story short, the BB defended with K6o and wound up with kings full.

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i raise on the button w/ AQ, BB calls. flop comes KQ9, i bet, he check raises, i call. Turn brings a Queen. He checks, i bet he raises i cap. River brings a 9. I now have Queens full of nines. We cap. He has KQ. There goes $40, and an $80 pot.

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sorry my bad now got confused with another post but at least these count towards my ultimate goal of being the most unintelligant grand poohbah ever.

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Now that's funny. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: KQo against the last defender of the blinds
 

If I think he's floating me with the preflop 3bet, I will cap =O.

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If I think he's floating me with the preflop 3bet, I will cap =O.

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Floating is when you call pf and raise any flop.

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If I think he's floating me with the preflop 3bet, I will cap =O.

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Floating is when you call pf and raise any flop.

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Fine. If I think he's bullsh|tting me with the preflop 3bet, I will cap =O.