Harrahs treated me like I\'m a potential terrorist tonight
 

I went to a harrahs casino tonight after 1am. I poured myself a pink lemonade and did one lap around all the tables on the first floor with the two girls I was with. I wasn't loud, uncivil, or unruly. I was my cool, calm and collected self... arguably the most quiet guy in the place. Some harrahs blond girl took my lemonade out of my hand like it was an alcoholic drink and asked for my id. I was shocked and handed over my drink and id (I'm 30). I was then told to leave the place after some guy wrote down my description like I was a terrorist; I hadn't even had the chance to place my name on the poker waiting list.

To make a long story short, I was basically treated like a potential terror suspect by harrahs. They gave me no explanation and asked me to leave immediately. This is their right as a private business, but it doesn't make it just. Security had no idea what was going on -- they had no answers for why I was asked to leave.

I've been on the fence as far as racial profiling goes, concerning our country. But after tonight, eff racial profiling. If I get singled out at a casino for doing nothing wrong (literally), then there is no way racial profiling will justly work in the USA as far as terrorism goes.

Harrahs stance tonight was inexplicable. They were acting like an anti-democratic government, taking away basic liberties, and jumping to conclusions with no rhyme or reason.

FWIW, the girls I was with have no idea why I was asked to leave, and neither did the security guard at the door.

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http://www.development.ox.ac.uk/webi...g_man_crop.jpg

"Hi, Im Carl Spackler, and I'm here to tell you about racial descrimination in American Casinos, and our latest plans to destroy Harrah's Casino!"

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don't worry, it's for the greater good.

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Next time take off the turbin and don't write down "Osama" on the waiting list.

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if Harrah's gives up the fight and lets potential suspects into the casinos, the Terrorists win...

you don't want them to win do you? - I didn't think so - no go out, reproduce, and feed your children to the war machine - we need some more grease for the tanks...

RB

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Derka derka derka, jihad.

(reference: Team America)

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Two girls? TWO girls??? That's just showing off.

The house pimp probably thought you were making a move on his territory and got you kicked out.

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Everone who responed to the OP are uneducated morans and have probably never left the town they were born in. If what the OP said is true I would raise hell with Harrahs, the enmey wins if a olive complextion person cant walk into a casino. Thats what they want is a divided America.

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You really should try to find out what that was about. Did you get the name(s) of your ejectors? Sure, they have a right to deny you service, but from a customer service perspective, they have an interest to keep people happy.

So, write them a letter or, if you're feeling frisky, call their head of security and ask why you were ejected.

Were you 86'd or just asked to leave for the night?

Regards,

T

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JIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

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I hate dealing with morans.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...addy_moran.jpg Prominent Moran

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Another prominent Moran

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That's pretty outrageous. Let us know what comes of it. I certainly don't intend to patronize Harrah's if they treat patrons like this, but I'd imagine Corporate will be apologetic and probably give you lifetime comps to try to keep you from making a stink about it.

"This is their right as a private business" -- no, I'm pretty sure gaming is a public accomodation and falls under civil right law. I'm not a lawyer, etc.

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did you and your two girls look like a pimp with 2 pros?? don't they frown upon this, if you did?

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I've said it a hundred times: I hate that place. Please keep us updated on the situation.

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Which Harrah's? And what do you and your 2 girl friends looks like?

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if this happened as you said, you should contact an attorney. harrah's doesn't have the right to keep you out because of race or appearance.

but something tells me there is more to this than you are telling us.

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Yes.....I cant see Harrahs throwing him out because of his skin color. Some off there best customers are of Middle Eastern decent. I belive something else happened, ex. did not get on list and just sat a table or told the floor to F off I dont wait on list etc.

But if what he said is true the ACLU would love to here about it and he could have just hit the JACKPOT.

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"This is their right as a private business" -- no, I'm pretty sure gaming is a public accomodation and falls under civil right law. I'm not a lawyer, etc.

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Nope, Gambling, at least in NV, is governed under the Right to Refuse Service Act which states that for ANY reason, a casino may refuse the action of a potential costomer.
It would take balls the size of Clevland for them to walk up to the OP and say, "Get out, you look different than white people," but it wouldn't be against the law. Of course, Harrah's could just as easily kick you out and not tell you that it's for racial reasons, and that would fly just fine.
For what it's worth, I have no proof that any casino has ever abused their power in such a way (though I find it hard to believe that one hasn't) nor do I side with the casino against the OP (so long as we got the whole story).

Cody

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"This is their right as a private business" -- no, I'm pretty sure gaming is a public accomodation and falls under civil right law. I'm not a lawyer, etc.

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no, you're wrong.

just because you add an IANAL disclaimer at the end doesnt excuse ignorance.

they are a private business and are within their rights to refuse service or bar anyone of their choosing for whatever reason (ie: the same rules that allow casinos to bar card counters)

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...I'd imagine Corporate will be apologetic and probably give you lifetime comps to try to keep you from making a stink about it.


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Hell yeah! Throw a bitch, get free chit! Go for it! If the situation was really as crazy as the OP said, it should be a cinch if you can get your hand written letter to the right set of eyes.

al

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"This is their right as a private business" -- no, I'm pretty sure gaming is a public accomodation and falls under civil right law. I'm not a lawyer, etc.

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no, you're wrong.

just because you add an IANAL disclaimer at the end doesnt excuse ignorance.

they are a private business and are within their rights to refuse service or bar anyone of their choosing for whatever reason (ie: the same rules that allow casinos to bar card counters)

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First of all, not all casinos can legally bar card counters. Apparently New Jersey casinos are prohibited by law from such bars (Uston v. Resorts International Hotel, Inc, 1982).

Secondly, "they are a private business" has nothing to do with it. The vehemence of your accusation of ignorance led me to look up some facts. The Civil Rights Act of 1964, according to Wikipedia,

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Outlawed discrimination in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce; exempted private clubs without defining "private," thereby allowing a loophole.

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Since most of the Nevada casinos are large corporations engaged in interstate commerce, I don't see how they can excuse themselves from this law. Perhaps the casino part of the establishment is considered differently from the hotel part; if you're familiar with the case law in this regard, then you passed up a really good opportunity to cite it.

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Everone who responed to the OP are uneducated morans and have probably never left the town they were born in. If what the OP said is true I would raise hell with Harrahs, the enmey wins if a olive complextion person cant walk into a casino. Thats what they want is a divided America.


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U need to chill bro. Lets not let a private business with the right to refuse anyone service, exercise this right, because that divide america. ONCE AGAIN ITS THERE RIGHT!!!

There are some hilarious post here. great responses.


BTW doesnt sound like they think ur a terrorist, ethier you look like someone thats on the 86d list, you are someone on the 86d list, or someone was jealous of the 2 hot bitches you were with and decided to playa hate on you. aif it was the playa hater thing, i nominate this person for hater of the yeaar. ( man i want chappelle show back)

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That's pretty outrageous. Let us know what comes of it. I certainly don't intend to patronize Harrah's if they treat patrons like this, but I'd imagine Corporate will be apologetic and probably give you lifetime comps to try to keep you from making a stink about it.

"This is their right as a private business" -- no, I'm pretty sure gaming is a public accomodation and falls under civil right law. I'm not a lawyer, etc.

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No gambling is not a pubulic accomodation, however a hotel is, and so are resturants, so its pretty confusing. Even if it was they can refuse him for other reasons.

Once again we are all assumeing they tould him to leave caause hes a middle eastern looking, i highly doubt this is a standard that harrahs has, just one cause of mistaken idenity with a 86d player

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"This is their right as a private business" -- no, I'm pretty sure gaming is a public accomodation and falls under civil right law. I'm not a lawyer, etc.

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no, you're wrong.

just because you add an IANAL disclaimer at the end doesnt excuse ignorance.

they are a private business and are within their rights to refuse service or bar anyone of their choosing for whatever reason (ie: the same rules that allow casinos to bar card counters)

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First of all, not all casinos can legally bar card counters. Apparently New Jersey casinos are prohibited by law from such bars (Uston v. Resorts International Hotel, Inc, 1982).



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Wrong this stated that card counters couldnt be barred for cheating, but they can be barred for counting.

Second parts almost right but gameing isnt a public ammodation, its just like aguasta (they dont let wenches in).

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Now if you'll excuse me I have to go home and put some water in Buck Nasty's mama's dish.

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I think there is a lot more to the story that isn't being told. I also think some one is playing the "race card".

For what ever reason you were booted, you probably could have been Thorton J. Whipplespoof III, and have gotten the same treatment.

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I think there is a lot more to the story that isn't being told. I also think some one is playing the "race card".

For what ever reason you were booted, you probably could have been Thorton J. Whipplespoof III, and have gotten the same treatment.

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As Paul Harvey would say, "Now, the rest of the story."

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Now if you'll excuse me I have to go home and put some water in Buck Nasty's mama's dish.

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classic! one of the funniest things ive ever seen in me entire life!... "she wear underwear with d*ck holes in them" "Look like a boot leg ice T"!

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First of all, not all casinos can legally bar card counters. Apparently New Jersey casinos are prohibited by law from such bars (Uston v. Resorts International Hotel, Inc, 1982).



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Wrong this stated that card counters couldnt be barred for cheating, but they can be barred for counting.


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Well, you seem to be familiar with it, but that's not at all what I found by browsing Google results.

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The state Supreme Court held, in Uston v. Resorts International Hotel Inc., 445 A.2d 370 (1982), that government control of blackjack was so complete that casinos in Atlantic City did not have the authority to decide whether skilled players could be barred.

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Some sort of law school resource:

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Facts: The defendant excluded plaintiff from the blackjack tables in its casino because the plaintiff is an expert card counter.

Issue: Can the defendant exclude the plaintiff from its casino just because the plaintiff is an expert card counter?

Holding: No

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Again, you seem to have more background knowledge than I do, but I didn't find anything saying that the Uston case was about casinos barring cheaters. That said, not everything on the Net is a trustworthy source and there's a reason why you can't earn a law degree from 5 minutes of Web surfing, so I'll defer to your knowledge.

That's interesting about the "public accomodation" part, though. Thanks for the info.

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I went to a harrahs casino tonight after 1am. I poured myself a pink lemonade and did one lap around all the tables on the first floor with the two girls I was with. I wasn't loud, uncivil, or unruly. I was my cool, calm and collected self... arguably the most quiet guy in the place. Some harrahs blond girl took my lemonade out of my hand like it was an alcoholic drink and asked for my id. I was shocked and handed over my drink and id (I'm 30). I was then told to leave the place after some guy wrote down my description like I was a terrorist; I hadn't even had the chance to place my name on the poker waiting list.

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Heres the key... How does someone writing down your descrpition, instantly make you assume you think he thinks ur a terrorist. There is without a doubt something more to this.

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There is without a doubt something more to this.

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Not to say discrimination is impossible in this case, but something somewhere in this story rings untrue.

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FWIW, the girls I was with have no idea why I was asked to leave, and neither did the security guard at the door.

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The girls didn't no why, Security didn't know why.

But nowhere in your post did you suggest that YOU didn't know why.

You suggested that you did nothing more than drink lemonade.

Is there more to it than that? Not just this visit, but previous visits?

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Broadway,
I don't know if you've read my above reply to you, but in your legal searches look up the Right to Refuse Serivce Act that I mentioned, it should clear up alot regaurding this matter.

Cody

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No gambling is not a pubulic accomodation,

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The casino itself, with its restaurants and shops, would certainly fall under the civil rights act. Are you saying that the gaming sections of the casino are exempt? Do you have a citation? I find this difficult to believe.

And to the poster who keeps bringing up some state's right-to-refuse-service law....that is irrelevant. The federal law would trump it. The only issue is whether, under federal law, certain areas of the casino can discriminate because they are not considered public accomodations, unlike the restaurants and bars.

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Answered my own question. You were wrong. I was right. I love it when that happens. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

"We hasten to add that we do not suggest that our holding means that the casinos have carte blanche in dealing with their patrons and they do not suggest otherwise. For example, both federal and state discrimination laws would be implicated if casinos discriminated among their patrons on the basis of their inclusion in protected groups." Doug Grant, Inc. v. Greate Bay Casino Corp., 232 F.3d 173, at n.7 (3d Cir. 2000)

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Hmmm, many have commented but the OP hasn't said a word since the 1st post. Sniff, sniff is that troll I smell?

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I'm the one who was refering to the Right to Rufuse Service Act, and my question to you is how is what the casino has done qualify as discrimination under the rights NV's Act grants.
If they can't utilize the Act, which allows them to refuse action to any patron for any reason, because of Federal Law, then why have it. More to the point, how do we know that they barred him for any illegal reason. They could've thought he looked like someone in the Griffin Book, and if so wouldn't need to explain it to him, all that's needed is an explaination that they don't want him on the property.
I'm not professing to know any of the answers to the above, and as you seem to have more legal training, or at least more interest in legal research, than I do, hopefully you can get me some of these answers.

Cody