So Mad I could spit
 

Flame away, because I deserve it, just have to vent.

Those of you who don't flame me, got any suggestions for a graceful exit or was I committed? As far as I can tell, my biggest mistake was a toss-up b/w being in the pot in the first place vs not raising enough preflop.

Pokerstars $36 Satellite to Sunday $500k.
Pays 14 places; 23 left. I'm in 4th on the button with $8900. Villain is BB with $15,000.

Blinds $200/400 $25 ante.
Folds around to hero in button holding Ac6s.
Button raises to $800.
SB folds, Villain calls $400.

Flop 7c6h6d.
Villain bets $1600.
Hero calls $1600.

Turn is 5d.
Villain bets $3200.
Hero raises $6400.
Villain calls.

River 4c
Villain bets $1600
Hero is all in.

Hero has three of a kind sixes.
Villain turns over 7h8h for a straight 4 thru 8.

God I suck.

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

Raise more pf, then push on the flop if he leads out, or atleast push the turn

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

well it's both why are you in the pot and why the min-raise preflop - i don't know why the bb is playing the hand either but whatever

push this turn and get sucked out on

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Yeah, the end result would be the same if he calls with his top pair needing runner runner. My guess, if I don't have my head up my rear and push the flop, he folds. Then again, I'm still in if I just fold preflop. I think it was in HOH saying don't get mixed up with a big stack that late.
What is the proper amount of time to mourn my regretful play?

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

Does it pay 14 entries? If so, are you a low stack? Could you have survived your way into the big tourney? If any of the above are true, you shouldn't have been in the pot. If you think you should have been there, I think you should move in on the flop. You probably get called anyway FWIW.

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Yeah I was going to say knowing the way things generally go in those things, the guy likely would have called an all in raise there anyway even on the flop, convinced you were bluffing Ax overcards. Age old story. Great thing about the hand is he'll never believe you have a 6. Horrible thing about the hand is he'll never believe you have a 6...

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

I spit hot fire!!!!

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you too close man

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

As mentioned, I think you need to make it 3xBB _at least_ with that great holding on the button. Since there are antes involved and you're really looking to take it down PF (but could survive a flop), I would say make it 1200-1400 to go.

If the blind calls, and he's betting the flop, you need to decide if he has a 6 or the 7 or what draw he's got. I think pushing or raising 3-4x his bet is optimal. That may win you the pot right there. If he's calling, you got to decide whether he made a straight on the turn or not and roll all in. You've got outs and are not drawing dead at the very least.

Considering the line you did take, you have to just call the river.

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Pays 14 places; 23 left. I'm in 4th on the button

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It pays 14 places, and you are in 4th? Why bother making such risky moves?

In that position, The only cards I play are AA-QQ and AK. Unless, of course, a tiny stack goes all in... In that case, I call with AA-22, AK-AT, KQ-KJ, QJ, and any suited connecter above a 65.

I think you are missing an important concept in satellites... getting first doesn't matter. 1st through 14th are all the same prize. Nine more people need to bust out, and you basically get first. In this case, even if 15th through 23rd ALL double up, and every one of them moves ahead of you, you are still going to be in the top 14, and more likely, since they are doubling up against at least some of the people higher than you, you will still be in 12th or so. Add to the fact that doubling up still may not put them ahead of you... However, even that is unlikely, and you have to figure about half of them will bust out rather than double up.

There is no reason for the 4th biggest stack to bust out against someone with a huge stack. To be honest, there is no reason for somebody in your position to even play a pot against the top 3 stacks.

Classic case of FPS, if you ask me. (Oooh, let me steal the blinds when I don't need to! Then, let me play aggressively with middle pair on a coordinated board!)

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

Here it is 10 hours later and I'm still in mourning.

Bottom line: I could post and fold and probably walk into the money.

Thanks for all of the great responses.

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This may or may not be true (even though you are the 4th stack), depending on the percentage of the total chips you now have.

I love sattellites because the vast majority of players shut down too early and you can often steal your way into the money.

Regardless, I don't think that trying for the blind steal was necessarily wrong - you just went about it wrongly. Make a real raise and be serious about your hand - 3 to 4x the big blind. Even a big stack will think twice about coming in with garbage.

Once you hit the flop like you did, bet it strongly, don't mess around against a big stack. You have a big enough stack to hurt him a bit, make it obvious you are committed to this pot. And if you only win a small pot in this situation, count your blessings (and try to stay away from entanglements with other big stacks in the future [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

-Oz-

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

UGH.

You pretty much have a spot locked up. BB certainly does, so I don't know what the eff he is doing. If you are going to raise, raise for real, don't give the big stack odds to call.

Push the flop after he bets. I know it seems like a waste, but you got his 800 preflop and 1600 here. This is a boost to your stack, and that's all you need. You don't need to double up to get a spot. If this were a standard tourney, no problem, doubling up moves you closer to the big $$. No reason to get cute.

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

Raising w/ A6o when folded to on the button is pretty standard. Giving Villian 3.5:1 on his call was your first mistake. I'm calling everytime with those odds if I'm holding anything that isn't total trash. Unless Hero has a pair of 8's or better, Villian is definately correct to call w/ 87o. Raise to t1,600.

Depending on Villian, I'm tempted to raise this flop since I'm really trying to get all my chips in the middle. A flat call either means you're a donk with A-high, you're on a str8 draw and you're totally weak, or that you have a big hand. If his bet is a bluff, he probably won't improve to a hand that could take any heat come the turn, so you lose nothing if your raise folds him out on the flop. If he has a 7 (which he did), he may interpret your raise as a bluff and come over the top. If he has a pocket pair, he's still probably coming over the top provided that the pair is reasonable. If he has a 6 with a worse kicker, he's definately doubling you up. If he has a str8 draw and his bet was a semi-bluff, he will probably call your raise and you get to charge him for drawing.

These are all good results when you flop what figures to be the best hand something like 95% of the time. Smooth calling allows him to get away from the hand too easily and certainly kills the action if he's bluffing. For example, say that a King fell on the turn. If he bets and you raise, he can easily throw his 87o in the muck. If you raise the flop and he calls or moves in, you can easily get him tied to the pot no matter what happens on the turn.

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i dont think ive ever been so mad i felt like spitting

Re: So Mad I could spit
 

I would not get involved in marginal plays at this point. Wait for big hands. If it winds up getting closer like you may need more chips, then start stealing then. Supersatellites at this level don't play that tight. Enough people may bust themselves out. You don't have to fold a big pair or something, but this button raise is borderline anyway.

As people have said, your raise is to small to take the blinds. No point in trapping. Winning the hand will give you enough chips to cash anyway, so bet your trips aggressively and try to win the hand.

You need to adjust your play more to supersatellite situations.

I am a good supersatellite player, but I am always kicking myself for busting myself out when I could have coasted or not stealing enough and becoming a short stack. It is tricky to read the chip positions and how the players are playing and adjust your play accordingly.

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I rip and I rhyme, I rhyme and I rip, this is the way Dylan spit.

To the OP, I'd raise more preflop, raise the flop to 5000 and push the turn.

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In addition, he needs to pay attention *who* he gets involved against. Pick on the smaller stacks if you want. Don't pick on a huge stack like that.

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It depends on the big stack. If the big stack is playing sensibly and trying to post/fold his way in, he is an easy target. If he is one of these idiots who is trying to come in 1st, stay out of his way. Of course you don't want to play a big pot with the big stack, but that is hard when you flop trips.