Losing $1.1k on One Pair Hands
 

I win with all other final hands according to PT except one pair hands over 15k hands, which I have lost $1109. It is obvious I am overplaying/misplaying these hands terribly. I have a hard time differentiating between value betting these hands agianst a lower kicker and getting screwed over by a bigger hand. How do you guys deal with these hands? Play em strong then drop them to any resistance? Please help me plug this horrible leak. I will try to post some hands but any general or sitiuational advice would be greatly appreciated. Some PT stats on One pair. total times: 5617, saw flop: 1736, folded flop 554, folded turn: 256, folded river: 147, went to SD:289, won $ hands: 609, won money at SD: 40%, % of total hands 43. I know 15k is a small sample but I need to stop the bleeding now.

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what levels?

in 100 and 200nl through 15000 hands i am losing 1500 with one pair hands. When compared to just my high card hands i've lost 1600. Thats only a difference of 100, which is pretty piss poor.

and i've only won $36 with 2 pair-they always seem to get busted.


my 1 pair stats are (in same order)
total-4403
saw flop-1104
fold flop-91
fold turn-49
fold river-31
showdown-169
winning %- 52
total %-14.6

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shouldn't you be losing with one pair? it would seem to me that would include all the times you call a pfr with a small pair and miss your set and fold, or semi-bluff a pair and a flush draw and miss etc. i just think its a misleading stat. please correct me if i misunderstood something.

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Fold one pair to a raise. Always. Problem solved. You don't tell us what games you play in, though, which would be very helpful for giving you some more in-depth comments.

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it is misleading, buti 'm wonderin what a good winning percentage would be with these badboys.

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My general rule is this: If my pair is lower then the highest card on the flop its a fold. Unless I have reason to believe a bet here will take down the pot. Or I flopped trips.

22-TT (and JJ often) is a 'no set, no bet' type hand most of the time.

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Are these numbers taken with "show only hands not folded" checked? It looks like you are looking at all hands, whether you folded or not.

This stat is pretty meaningless, since this loss includes all your little losses from hands where you missed the flop and folded, but would have caught a pair on the turn or river, or the board paired. It also includes losses from folded SB and BB, and all preflop limp-fold hands that would have gone on to finish with one pair.

Look at the "show only when not folded" stats. These should always be positive.

Even the 40% won at showdown may be OK - if a lot of these hands are multiway and you are contributing far less than 50% of the pot, then this 40%W$SD figure may well be optimal.

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Are these numbers taken with "show only hands not folded" checked? It looks like you are looking at all hands, whether you folded or not.


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Bingo.

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where the hell have you been?

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Yes you are right. I didnt have those checked. I am actually up $900 with the folded hands checked. Thank you for the help.

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Fold one pair to a raise. Always.

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TWP, do you do this? If so, would you still do it playing 25NL?

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40% won money at showdown is really low....tighten up how much u go to river...If you have no read I generally want top pair and a good kicker or a lot of outs to call raises on the flop and after.

you could write 20 pages on how to play these but generally If you think you have the best hand then raise, if after you show strength your opponent reraises, then think if you have a REALLY strong hand and play accordingly.

A lot of how to play these are player dependant but in general you need to be tighter and probably more aggressive.

Get GT+ from www.pokertracker.com that way if you are against a rock you can fold more and call/raise more against a LAG. So you can win more showdowns.

read harrington on holdem vol 1 if you want a good book.

There ya go. works?

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Fold one pair to a raise. Always.

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TWP, do you do this? If so, would you still do it playing 25NL?

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OMFG, yes. At NL25 it is actually correct strategy. No, I don't still do this. But I don't still play NL25 either. At NL200 it is not correct strategy (although it is still very close to correct, IMO) but at NL25-NL100 I think it is actually correct or VERY close to correct. People ARE NOT AGGRESSIVE with worse than one pair. Unless you have a specfic read to the contrary.

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Fold one pair to a raise. Always.

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TWP, do you do this? If so, would you still do it playing 25NL?

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OMFG, yes. At NL25 it is actually correct strategy. No, I don't still do this. But I don't still play NL25 either. At NL200 it is not correct strategy (although it is still very close to correct, IMO) but at NL25-NL100 I think it is actually correct or VERY close to correct. People ARE NOT AGGRESSIVE with worse than one pair. Unless you have a specfic read to the contrary.

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Sounds like a nice, simple rule to follow, but are there exceptions? What about this hand:
No reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter

BB ($7.65)
UTG ($22.15)
UTG+1 ($14.95)
MP1 ($26.60)
Hero ($39.85)
MP3 ($10)
CO ($5.55)
Button ($9.85)
SB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $1.25, SB calls $1.15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $6</font>

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Fold.

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I gotta see a turn.

this is entirely too weak with a drawy board.

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You can see a turn if you want. Most of the time, though, you will be folding to a decent sized turn bet. Yeah, occasionally you will be able to charge them for their draw when they check to you again on the turn, but you dont really see that play at NL25. Not really until NL100. And then you'll get to NL200 and people will c/r their draws and then bet them again on the turn. And then you're playing poker. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]