B&M: Telling Mr. Helpful to shut up
 

I play a weekly tournament that is fulled to the brim with guys who think they are poker gods among men. It's kinda funny, and some of the stupid things I overhear there are the funniest around.

A regular there that I've played against several times has on numerous times f'ed up a game because of his comments. On one occasion he encouraged a call against an all-in and I watched him almost get punched. He's arrogant and has something to say about any cards you show. In the tourny last night his comments finally affected me directly. I was all in and itching for a call, and when the betting came around to him, he folds. The player next to him, a loose player I was hoping would call...asks me what I have. Mr. Here-let-me-help pipes up with "Oh Sharon hasn't bet all night, and I know her....she doesn't raise unless shes got the goods!". I thought I handled the situation nicely through my blinding rage, but this twerp needs to be shut up. Any suggestions from experienced 2+2ers? I would like to be neutral about it and all I can think of os threats. lol. This needs to stop. Thanks for reading.

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Call the floorman? He's breaking the rules - one player to a hand.

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Sounds like a home game.

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Unfortunately it's not at a casino, otherwise I would. It's more of an underground tourney and the dude who runs it probably wouldn't do anything about it, as it isn't cheating, so on.

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Ehh, not really. It's an underground thing poker players in the area spread by word of mouth. It has gained a lot of popularity and if we had the room (we currently meet & play in a friendly local bar) we could expand quite a bit. Good people, good drinks, and a loudmouth who can't stop giving poker advice.

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Oh, I see. Then I'd pour my drink over his head every time he did this. I don't believe in threats, I'd rather just do it.

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The next five times he's in a hand explain in much detail to any one in the hand with him what you believe the correct strategy to be for different sets of hands. After he gets mad do it five more.

Then kick him in the nuts.

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Sounds like your guy gets around. The one at our games has the "Got to be in it to win it" line, which he uses to induce a call whenever he is not in the hand.
We just told him that he would be uninvited if he did it again. By the way this was after 5 or 6 times and two warnings, since it is a game among friends.

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Unfortunately it's not at a casino, otherwise I would. It's more of an underground tourney and the dude who runs it probably wouldn't do anything about it, as it isn't cheating, so on.

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There are probably other people there who feel the same way about this guy. You should bring it up with the organizer, not because the guy is an ass, but because the guy could put off new people and limit the fun and scope of the tourney.

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Am I crazy, or is the correct response to say

"He's absolutely right. I would fold if I were you."

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Am I crazy, or is the correct response to say

"He's absolutely right. I would fold if I were you."

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Is it? I thought I handled it nicely by sitting there silently despite Mr. Helpful's advice and got an over the top raise from the guy.

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There are probably other people there who feel the same way about this guy. You should bring it up with the organizer, not because the guy is an ass, but because the guy could put off new people and limit the fun and scope of the tourney.

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I will do this. My only qualm with doing this is I believe Mr. Helpful is good friends with the organizer, and I refuse to cause unneccesary b.s. I would much rather wait for him to do it again and say something directly to him.

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Am I crazy, or is the correct response to say

"He's absolutely right. I would fold if I were you."

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Is it? I thought I handled it nicely by sitting there silently despite Mr. Helpful's advice and got an over the top raise from the guy.

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Well, you can't argue with results.

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One time at a home game, I bet the river with a good hand, and the player second to act looked really distressed. Finally, he asked the active player behind him if he was planning to call. Before the player could respond, I stopped their conversation, explaining the one player to a hand rule. I hate home games.

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There are probably other people there who feel the same way about this guy. You should bring it up with the organizer, not because the guy is an ass, but because the guy could put off new people and limit the fun and scope of the tourney.

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I will do this. My only qualm with doing this is I believe Mr. Helpful is good friends with the organizer, and I refuse to cause unneccesary b.s. I would much rather wait for him to do it again and say something directly to him.

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You're going to look like a bitch either way, but maybe there is a third way to handle this... How about asking around to the other players and seeing if any of them feel the way that you do? With other people behind you, it won't look like it is just you with a vendetta and the guy will have to do something about it or else lose a bunch of players.

btw - The organizer dude probably knows his friend is a jerk, but lets it slide as "that is just how he is". When he sees that it affects the game, he will do something about it.

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LOL. You're right, I will. Oh well.

I like your idea. As I said earlier, he's pissed off quite a few people with his table talk.

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Next time it happens, start off with a polite "You really should'nt be giving out advice on how to play while the hand is still live." Try to get some other players behind you, but don't be too confrontational at first. If he continues, ask again, but be more annoyed without making him feel personally attacked.

If this doesn't work, talk to the tournament director, and ask him what the policy is on players not involved in hands giving out advice when the hand is in play. Don't directly mention the guy by name yet. Once you (hopefully) get a ruling that that is not allowed, you can use that to make another request to your player, this time bringing over the TD and having him explain his policy.

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I wouldn't wait until it happened to you to do this. YOu have to blow up about it, show how much are pissed, tell him he is out of line and to shut the hell up when he is not in the hand. I saw this happen to a guy who honestly did know what he was doing was out of line (he just liked impressing people with his knowledge). He didn't like being made an ass of and called out on his action or the uneasy atmosphere that was created and shut up for that night. Plus I think others would back you.

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"Hey Mike Sexton, STFU k thx" usually works well.

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"Hey Mike Sexton, STFU k thx" usually works well.

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Let me take a swing at this...

"Thank goodness this game has so many rules...like the one that forbids players from opening their cake holes while others are in a hand. If it wasn't for that rule, the game would suck."

"You seem like you know this game. Tell me, on what planet do they play the version where somebody can coach another player during a hand? Maybe it's not another planet...maybe it's in prison?"

"Fetal Alcholol Syndrone. You cannot help talking. Your entire nervous system is screwed up. I'll bet you crap yourself twice a night and we don't even know it."

"What do Phil Helmuth and you have in common? Nothing. We'd all like to kill you whereas Helmuth could probably get away with a bad beating."

Next time he's in a hand and you know what he's playing: "Mind if I tell everyone you played Ace-Jack suited? I'm sure they can read you like a book too, but I really love the way you've introduced real-time hand analysis to our game."

Thankyouverymuch.

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Thanks for all the suggestions, I really appreciate it. I definetly enjoyed "Hey Mike Sexton, STFU k thx" and "Mind if I tell everyone you played Ace-Jack suited? I'm sure they can read you like a book too, but I really love the way you've introduced real-time hand analysis to our game."