200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

Hey guys,
just sat down at the table for one orbit, raised two hands, villan hasnt done anything noticeable yet.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

CO ($209.65)
Button ($404.45)
Hero ($213.10)
BB ($138.45)
UTG ($43.35)
MP ($144.79)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $11</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($28) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $45</font>, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($118) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, villan moves allin

what do you guys think about this hand? is this an easy muck vs an unknown?

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

no one thinks this is interesting in least bit?

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

i usually play 10-handed, but if it was me here i would do everything the same but fold to his flop raise

i don't think you can call his flop raise and just hope he checks it down, reverse implied odds = bad here

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

you think most players will auto raise their ace there? it seems as if more peopel would just call the flop trying to be coy.
Noah

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

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you think most players will auto raise their ace there? it seems as if more peopel would just call the flop trying to be coy.
Noah

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What else would he take this line with? He sure as heck doesn't want to give you free cards if you're holding something like KhQh. I fold to the flop raise against a total unknown. Against some players, I'll call both the flop and turn but I think you need to know your opponent better to make that call.

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

yeah, your thinking makes sense, but whenever i think like that i always seem to out think myself and pay off some guys monster that he fast-played

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

I gotta agree this guy probably has the ace. Only reason he is raising here. Probably some ace crap hand but he is afraid of the 2 draws.

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

this is SSH, he could have anything from a dry jack to any pp to a flush draw, trying to get me off bigger pair. I almost never see people raise with their ace on the flop, especially in raised pot.
Noah

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I almost never see people raise with their ace on the flop

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well, if this is true then the hand is easy, play it like you did and call

but this statement is the source of disagreement

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

OK, if that's your read, then its a clear call on the turn, right? You start out saying there's no way he could have an ace (I'm guessing you'd agree that he wouldn't play JJ this fast, either) so the turn card doesn't really change anything as, assuming your read is good, you're way ahead.

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

I trusted my read, called the turn, he flipped over JTo, just had a feeling he played it to fast to have an ace.
Noah

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

Against an unknown it's an easy fold

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Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

I check this flop occassionally. As is, I fold flop but because Im just as likely to have an Ace as not (and i usually show people I'm quite content with betting with made hands) so a raise usually means an ace here.

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

I have a couple of problems with the way that you played this hand. I think that (unless the std raise at this table was 5-times the BB) your PFR was a little too high. That's not a big deal though. A raise to $6-8 accomplishes the same goals, and might get you a little more action on your premium pairs.
Your flop "continuation" bet seems a little high here too. Given the "texture" of this flop, a bet of half of the pot here would be fine. Fortunately for you, it looks like your opponent has really misplayed his trips here. Even if he put you on a flush (or a straight draw) he has more outs to a boat (10) then you have to either draw. His correct play is to call your flop bet, making the pot $68, then bet about $40 on the turn (giving you only 3 to 1 on your flush draw with virtually no implied odds.) I'm not sure what hands he fears here if he holds an Ace, but his line screams very bad/inexperienced player with an Ace.
When he pushes, you are getting almost 2.5 to 1 from the pot, so you have to be good about 30% of the time to break-even on your call. I don't think that 30% of the time he is going all-in with a J or a draw.
I'd be glad that he shot his wad on the flop, and save some chips here.

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

I might check/call flop and lead turn for sh1ts and giggles.

Or not.

I fold the flop raise though.