Nasty NL book rumors
 

in a recent post on this forum entitled something like, ´"good no limit cash game books" someone said that harrington and robertie were writing a NL cash game book. That would seem like direct competition for sklansky miller´s book that´s supposed to come out soon. Could Someone please gimme the straight dope on whether this is true (i´m pretty sure it´s not) and, more importantly, does anyone really know the release date for the sklansky miller book. I mean if it´s coming out in september it seems pretty ridiculous for two plus two to have said so little about it in the recent past.

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Ed recently posted that is was NOT comming out in September but did not specify when the it would be released...

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Hi dorf:

Harrington and Robertie are not doing a cash game book as far as I know. The Sklansky/Miller book is expected by the end of the year but that date is flexible.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Thanks mason. the introduction of NL cash games is killing my limit action at my local b&m and i´m anxious to get into the nl games but wouldn´t mind a little help first. cheers
dorf

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<<the introduction of NL cash games is killing my limit action at my local b&m>>

just curious, of all the hold em games at your B+M.. what is the count for each: limit & NL??

in San Francisco recently at 'Lucky Chances', while I was waiting I counted 9 NL games and 16 limit games...

btw, 1-1-2 NL with $4 bring-in is 8 of 9 tables... wildly popular game...

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most of the time it´s one nl game to 6-9 limit games but it´s gotten as high as four nl games. it´s a 5-5 blinds with a 200 dollar min max buy in. killing the other games.

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Ed recently posted that is was NOT comming out in September but did not specify when the it would be released...

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By the way, the book is going to blow people away. I have utter confidence that there will be no "competitive" book coming out before or within six months afterward in the same way no book as even close to touched Theory of Poker. And the only way a "competitive" book would come out after six months is if a very smart person read it and tried to adapt and extend upon it.

Just a little Sklansky-esque bravado to whet your appetite.

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Just a little Sklansky-esque bravado to whet your appetite.

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You are pure evil. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Can't wait.

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Ed recently posted that is was NOT comming out in September but did not specify when the it would be released...

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By the way, the book is going to blow people away. I have utter confidence that there will be no "competitive" book coming out before or within six months afterward

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Hi Ed,

A quick question.

To what game level will the book be aimed?

For instance I would say that alot of SSHE could be applied from microlimits right upto some of the higher full ring online games.

Will that be the case in the NL book?

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Ed recently posted that is was NOT comming out in September but did not specify when the it would be released...

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By the way, the book is going to blow people away. I have utter confidence that there will be no "competitive" book coming out before or within six months afterward in the same way no book as even close to touched Theory of Poker. And the only way a "competitive" book would come out after six months is if a very smart person read it and tried to adapt and extend upon it.

Just a little Sklansky-esque bravado to whet your appetite.

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You [censored] tease.

My heart, she is on fire with desire for this book.

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...no book as even close to touched Theory of Poker. And the only way a "competitive" book would come out after six months is if a very smart person read it and tried to adapt and extend upon it.

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I'm reading TOP for the second time. I was a beginner when I read it the first time and I thought I understood it pretty well. I was wrong. I am now struck by the realization that even the best books I have read since then (SSH, WTOHP, HOH) are good because they include restatements, extensions, clarifications, and examples of the ideas in TOP. Great as it may be, I expect the same will be true of this NL book.

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Ed recently posted that is was NOT comming out in September but did not specify when the it would be released...

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By the way, the book is going to blow people away. I have utter confidence that there will be no "competitive" book coming out before or within six months afterward

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Hi Ed,

A quick question.

To what game level will the book be aimed?

For instance I would say that alot of SSHE could be applied from microlimits right upto some of the higher full ring online games.

Will that be the case in the NL book?

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Think of this book as "The Theory of No Limit Poker". It's not aimed at any type of game, just as TOP isn't aimed at any type of game.

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Think of this book as "The Theory of No Limit Poker". It's not aimed at any type of game, just as TOP isn't aimed at any type of game.

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Thanks Ed. I'll stick it on my christmas list for santa [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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with all due respect i believe they are still planning on writing one. it got pushed until after the 2nd book they are working on. however, things could change. if they do, i am sure it will be a 2+2 book.

as far as competition (ed miller's comments aside), i think there is room for 2 good nl cash game books. now that the harrington robertie book was pushed back because they wanted to write something else 1st, i think the two will be at least 6 months apart.

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I hope you are right Ed. Mason pimped HoH II as a book that would...
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cause a sensation because of it's discussion of what the authors Dan Harrington and Bill Robertie call "Inflection Points."

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I believe it fell short of causing a sensation. Anyone playing SnGs and reading the STT forum regularly was already aware of this. You said yourself that... [ QUOTE ]
several HUNDRED THOUSAND people are going to read the book. The concepts of tournament poker are not going to be as obvious to every one of them as they are to you.

[/ QUOTE ] SSH on the other hand did cause a sensation, even for regular small stakes players.

I guess what I am wondering is, will the new NLH book cause a sensation among 2+2 regulars or just the general public?

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since ssh was great and ds's books have been great, we all expect you to write another great book. however, i believe there is room in the market place for 2 terrific nl cash game books. i look forward to buying yours.

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So by no limit poker poker do you mean that it will be just as helpful for the less popular nl games like lowball or omaha as it will be for hold'em?

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Ed recently posted that is was NOT comming out in September but did not specify when the it would be released...

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By the way, the book is going to blow people away. I have utter confidence that there will be no "competitive" book coming out before or within six months afterward in the same way no book as even close to touched Theory of Poker. And the only way a "competitive" book would come out after six months is if a very smart person read it and tried to adapt and extend upon it.

Just a little Sklansky-esque bravado to whet your appetite.

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does that mean you are actually going beyond ABC?

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hi ed,
in your opinion, how much of this book will present new concepts vs. codifying existing concepts? really looking forward to reading it.

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Think of this book as "The Theory of No Limit Poker". It's not aimed at any type of game, just as TOP isn't aimed at any type of game.

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Thanks Ed. I'll stick it on my christmas list for santa [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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My wife asked me if I wanted this book for Christmas (as I've been talking about it for a while). I told her NO!!! I would have read by then.

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OK, now that we know the nature of the book and an ETA, for those of us who have been playing limit poker almost exclusively and want to get into PL and NL, are there any other books we could get our noses into while we wait for Ed's book?

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OK, now that we know the nature of the book and an ETA, for those of us who have been playing limit poker almost exclusively and want to get into PL and NL, are there any other books we could get our noses into while we wait for Ed's book?

[/ QUOTE ]I just got Ciaffone's book, Pot Limit and No Limit Poker and it is pretty good. TJ's book and How Good is Your Pot Limit Hold'em are the only other books I know with Pot Limit Hold'em. For No Limit Hold'em I would also read the Super System. I also agree that Harrington can teach you many concepts relative to cash games in his books though. One other book that might be helpful is Play Poker Like the Pros. I've only read the omaha sections when I was at the book store one time. Can anyone tell me if this section covers anything new?

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Thanks GW, I'll take a look at these. I actually have Harrington's books currently being shipped, so I will start with these. Some of the reviews of Cloutier's books consider him too tight, but I suppose that would not be a big problem when one is dipping a toe into the PL and NL water.

Thanks again for your input.

Nanook

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Just a little Sklansky-esque bravado to whet your appetite.

You'd better back this up! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I want that book so bad.

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for those of us who have been playing limit poker almost exclusively and want to get into PL and NL, are there any other books we could get our noses into while we wait for Ed's book?

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Ciaffone's 2 books are written from the perspective of a limit player wanting to learn PL and NL. Someone mentioned one of them. The other is improve your poker.

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WTF

Ciaffones Big Bet book already did this

and its not for limit players, its a highly advanced guide to NL

the 2+2 book will blow in comparison guaranteed

that said, im buying it because itll be the second best thing available and im curious

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the 2+2 book will blow in comparison guaranteed


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Doubtful.

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WTF

Ciaffones Big Bet book already did this

and its not for limit players, its a highly advanced guide to NL

the 2+2 book will blow in comparison guaranteed

that said, im buying it because itll be the second best thing available and im curious

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You think that highly of Ciaffone's book? I really didn't think it was exceptional. I mean that in the sense of "Woah, I never thought of that". It's exceptional when compared to every other NL book (possible HOH1 exception), but it's not a user's manual.

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Will this book cover pot limit theory too? I don't think it would be that much different.

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WTF

Ciaffones Big Bet book already did this

and its not for limit players, its a highly advanced guide to NL

the 2+2 book will blow in comparison guaranteed

that said, im buying it because itll be the second best thing available and im curious

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i got the most outta super system 1 nl section. i think its by far the best.

although caf's book was good too, i guess.

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WTF

Ciaffones Big Bet book already did this

and its not for limit players, its a highly advanced guide to NL

the 2+2 book will blow in comparison guaranteed

that said, im buying it because itll be the second best thing available and im curious

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i got the most outta super system 1 nl section. i think its by far the best.

although caf's book was good too, i guess.

[/ QUOTE ]Let's be honest. Doyle's section is very outdated.

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Let's be honest. Doyle's section is very outdated.

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Some of it is, some of it isn't, and the parts that aren't are still pretty powerful stuff.

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Let's be honest. Doyle's section is very outdated.

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Some of it is, some of it isn't, and the parts that aren't are still pretty powerful stuff.

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the parts that aren't are the important parts anyway.

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I disagree. If you ignore the intro and go to where he discusses the actual play of hands, you have a superb piece of NL poker literature.

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why would i want to read a NL cash game book by sklansky?

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why would i want to read a NL cash game book by sklansky?

[/ QUOTE ]Sklansky is the top poker author in the world. Maybe I should of worded my other post a little bit better. All I was saying is that their are some things in that book that won't always work today and keep in mind that who he was playing is different than the type of people we are playing today. He even said that he had to change his strategy since he written his book. Although I think Doyle has some of the best info on nl in his book I think there is more that needs to be written on this subject and alot more. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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You think that highly of Ciaffone's book? I really didn't think it was exceptional.

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Yup.
Pretty good...but certainly not mind-blowing.


I have every reason to believe the Miller/Sklansky book will be truly incredible in many respects.

And I wish they would hurry-up and finish it already!!!! (i've been waiting for several months ever since Mason announced it was on the horizon)

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with all due respect i believe they are still planning on writing one. it got pushed until after the 2nd book they are working on. however, things could change. if they do, i am sure it will be a 2+2 book.


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With all due respect...how the hell would you know this while Mason doesn't?


Why would it be a 2+2 book even if they DID do it. Seems that Sklansky and Miller already have that covered and I'm not sure why 2+2 would want to put out a 2nd NL cash-game book by Harrington/Robertie.

Unless maybe Sklansky/Miller is more of a 'theory' book (like TOP) and Harrington/Robertie is more of a NLHE 'instructional' book (more like SSHE or HEFAP).



Still...it strikes me as unlikely that Mason wouldn't know of such plans for a book to be published by his OWN COMPANY.

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With all due respect...how the hell would you know this while Mason doesn't?


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I was thinking the same thing...

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Unless maybe Sklansky/Miller is more of a 'theory' book (like TOP) and Harrington/Robertie is more of a NLHE 'instructional' book (more like SSHE or HEFAP).

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If memory serves me correct I'm pretty sure Ed said exactly this. That it would be a book that presents theory on all NL in general, like how TOP is presents theory on all of POker in general. So this could be a possibility I suppose. Does Harrington even play cash games?? I've only heard his name in referemce to tournament play.