Party 15/30: An annoying AQ hand
 

I raise AQo EP. Right behind me, a TAG (17/13/1.6) reraises. The rest fold and I call.

Flop comes A72r. He bets, I call.

Turn pairs the 2, full rainbow.

I bet, he raises. Do you lay it down?

Do you play the flop differently?

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Did you guys switch seats halfway through the hand?

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Yes...it's one of those new moving seat tables that came with the last upgrade.


Sorry...flop: I check, he bets, I call.

Re: Party 15/30: An annoying AQ hand
 

This is totally classic way-ahead, way-behind.

I really want to see a showdown here. Hand protection is not a consideration. An aggressive opponent can be expected to continue betting.

Hence, I think check-call, check-call is definitely correct on the first two streets.

River is a little trickier. The thing is that I really never want to lay down this hand. I don't think there's much value in trying to figure out if we're behind "cheaply." Hence I may sometimes check-call the river as well. Bet-call might be a little better, but I just can't bring myself to bet-fold here when I'm losing to so few hands.

Playing passively isn't so bad in certain specific situations.

Re: Party 15/30: An annoying AQ hand
 

Check/call, check/call, bet/call.

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Check/call, check/call, bet/call.

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Check/call, check/call, bet/call.

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I find that when I agree with Shant and Meep I am very encouraged that I may actually know what is going on.

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Am I the only one that would check raise the flop? If you're three bet then you know you are in trouble. If I'm off base here someone tell me.

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Check/call, check/call, bet/call.

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I find that when I agree with Shant and Meep I am very encouraged that I may actually know what is going on.

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Shant = meep = <*(((><


In this case, I do agree though.

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Am I the only one that would check raise the flop? If you're three bet then you know you are in trouble. If I'm off base here someone tell me.

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Against a taggish player, a check-raise won't gain that much info. A taggsh player may well call the check-raise with the intent of raising a later street. You could cost yourself more.

Information is not always that valuable! Particularly against tough players. I hear again and again and again that plays should be made for information when very often information will be totally noisy.

Check-raising also has the side effect of slowing down a hand like KK, which a taggish villain will often continue to bet.

Check-raising is bad for value as the only hands that will be paying us down are usually those that have us beat.

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Ask yourself what are you accomplishing with a CR? The only real value to doing this is if your opponent will call you down with a lesser hand and you can always get away from the hand on the turn if you're 3-bet. I don't think either applies very often at all.

- Jim

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Check/call, check/call, bet/call.

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Hmm, in what situations would you modify the WA/WB line to
c/c, c/c, b/f.

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I don't ever want to fold this hand in a heads-up pot.

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I don't ever want to fold this hand in a heads-up pot.

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Me either. But that doesn't mean we're right.

Re: Party 15/30: An annoying AQ hand
 

Against a 7/1/0.1/0.1/0.1 opponent with 10,000 hands.

- Jim