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Hellmouth 08-08-2005 12:37 PM

If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
Just curious. In a live limit holdem game can you go into pocket if you run out of chips or can you only put cash on the table at the beginning of a hand? I know online you can only do it between hands. Is it the same live?

Greg

4_2_it 08-08-2005 12:39 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
In every asino I have played in (10-12 total) only cash on the table at the beginning of the hand plays. A rebuy may only be done before a hand is dealt.

Al_Capone_Junior 08-08-2005 12:45 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
It should be totally obvious that "table stakes" applies not only online, but in live games too. Of course you CANNOT go into your pocket during a hand. If you could, what would happen? Well, when people were drawing, they'd be "all-in," but when they had a strong hand, they'd go for more cash.

Seems like perhaps you should read the FAQ on this page before your trip to the borgata.

al

dtbog 08-08-2005 12:49 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
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In a live limit holdem game can you go into pocket if you run out of chips or can you only put cash on the table at the beginning of a hand?

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No. Only money on the table plays.

Find out if the cardrooms at which you're playing allow cash to play at all. Some casinos force you to change cash for chips before the hand starts, unless you clearly notify the table/dealer about it.

That rule is mostly for NL and has to do with unambigious sizes of opponents' stacks, but they might do it somewhere for limit too.

andyfox 08-08-2005 12:57 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
At Commerce, I believe there is a rule that only $100 bills play in the top section. The rule is seldom, if ever, enforced, but not only should you find out if cash on the table plays, but also if there is any similar rule about which bills are allowed. In any event, no casino allows you to go into your pocket during a hand.

AKQJ10 08-08-2005 01:23 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
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At Commerce, I believe there is a rule that only $100 bills play in the top section.

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Foxwoods is supposedly going to start this but I'll believe it when I see it.

Jeffage 08-08-2005 01:45 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
This is the Vegas rule also, but AC lets all bills play. I hate this. Only hundreds should play on the table...then there is no ambiguity about how much money someone really has in front of them. I hate the jerks who wrap who have a big wad of cash with mostly 5's and 1's at a limit like 20-40. Or those who play 20-40 by throwing $20 bills out for their bets. Annoying (though many of these players go off for alot, so that's ok I guess).

Jeff

08-08-2005 02:10 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
If you pull out cash at the beginning of a hand and request chips from the dealer, you are said to be "playing behind". You simply state which bets/raises you want to make or call and when your chips arrive, the dealer will sort it out for you.

Hellmouth 08-08-2005 03:05 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
Ive read the faq. I just skimmed it again and it doesnt say anything about this.

Your response did bring up an interesting side question about NL though.

Ive seen people bring much more than the max buy-in to the table. They park all these chips on the table and play as if there is no max. Are they considered to be bringing more chips in on every hand to replenish their stack?

Are they actually allowd to do this? I saw a guy bring a rack of $10 chips to the table and blow through almost 3 rows in more then one hand. This is like $600 on a $300 max table. Is the dealer supposed to enforce the maximum buy-in policy?

Greg

stinkypete 08-08-2005 03:10 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
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If you pull out cash at the beginning of a hand and request chips from the dealer, you are said to be "playing behind". You simply state which bets/raises you want to make or call and when your chips arrive, the dealer will sort it out for you.

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this is the case in ontario, but in vegas your cash goes into the pot

Easy E 08-08-2005 04:28 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
You have 400 posts and you don't know about table stakes?

What games have you been playing in live?

08-08-2005 05:50 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
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If you pull out cash at the beginning of a hand and request chips from the dealer, you are said to be "playing behind". You simply state which bets/raises you want to make or call and when your chips arrive, the dealer will sort it out for you.

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this is the case in ontario, but in vegas your cash goes into the pot

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Thank for pointing out the distinction. Does this happen a lot in Vegas? I'll be there this week to pop my Vegas cherry.

celticGreen 08-08-2005 10:52 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
Sorry for being slightly OT, but to add to the list, Foxwoods does now only allow $100's to play on the table. I felt stupid last week, as I had known this but still gave the guy next to me 2 $50's for chips and as soon as he put them behind his stack the dealer mentioned they wouldn't play & he'd need to buy chips.

Hellmouth 08-09-2005 12:15 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
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You have 400 posts and you don't know about table stakes?

What games have you been playing in live?

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Well Ive only played about a dozen times live but I guess I never really had to rebuy, so it wasn't an issue. Its nice to win [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyways, like I said before, I mainly play online so I know the rules there and was just curious if they translated to a B+M.

Greg

Ghazban 08-09-2005 12:40 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
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Sorry for being slightly OT, but to add to the list, Foxwoods does now only allow $100's to play on the table. I felt stupid last week, as I had known this but still gave the guy next to me 2 $50's for chips and as soon as he put them behind his stack the dealer mentioned they wouldn't play & he'd need to buy chips.

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This rule is a good one; too bad the dealers often don't know about it and/or don't enforce it. I see people in the $100 max 1/2 NL game buying/selling chips for $20s all the time and I always have to be the one to speak up and make sure they get the low denominations converted to chips. I'd be really pissed if I got all-in with the best hand against somebody I had covered and lost $200 because it was in a lousy stack of 20s.

Al_Capone_Junior 08-09-2005 01:18 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
Dealers are supposed to enforce the max buy-in policy. Keeping extra chips on the table isn't allowed, they are supposed to keep them elsewhere.

We added to the FAQ to include table stakes. We're going to edit / consolidate it in the near future to make it more readable and concise.

al

celticGreen 08-09-2005 01:40 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
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This rule is a good one;

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Agreed -- It was always annoying having someone at the table /w huge wads of bills.

shu4040 08-09-2005 11:53 PM

Re: If you are out of chips in mid hand- can cash play?
 
in AC, not once, but TWICE this weekend, i saw people buy in mid hand. once at the showboat and once at ballys. I said something at showboat and got scolded by the dealer b/c i wasn't in the hand. it was really odd.


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