Interesting hand from my session today
 

Villain here is like 80/15/1.5, aggressive in the wrong times, pretty much a donkey.

I open in MP with 7c7h. CO cold calls and everyone else folds

Flop comes: Td4s3s

I bet he calls

Turn comes: 7d

I bet he raises I 3bet he caps

River comes: Kd

I bet ...


How is my river bet here? I'm sure he doesn't cap lightly, but he would have 3bet me preflop with TT so I'm guessing 33 44 or 56, perhaps T7 or some other raggy 2 pair. He probably wouldn't cap with a draw but it's not out of the realm of possibilities

What is my plan if he raises?

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and just call his raise

-sinful

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usually when i get to the river with hands like these, and i nkow he'll bet if i check to him, or raise if i bet, i try and rationalize how many bets i'd want to get in. so against some players, i think between 2-3 is good. so i'll go for the check raise. if i want to go for 1-2, then i'll bet and call a raise.

seeing that you bet, i'll call the raise. and because you have'nt seen him go crazy yet with 2 pair capping a turn, then i think 2 bets is cool. but with a lot of 60+//1+ agg, i'll go for around 3 bets on teh river beucase they are donks for a reason.

stealthcow-

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I bet/call here as well.

Actually upon reflection a checkraise/call seems like a good play, since you're fairly sure he'll lead out the river if you check. If you bet here there's a chance he'll slow down after the cap if you still lead into him and just call, and with that river I don't think he'd 3bet with TT.


Of course he probably only 3bets a checkraise with a hand that has you beat, but the pot is so big at that point you are kind of obligated to call, so you lose an extra bet when you're beat.

I think the EV difference would probably be pretty close to zero between these two lines though. I really don't want to open myself up to a 3bet here though so I probably still bet/call in the end because I'm weak like that.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong in this line of thought?

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My first reaction was you were trying to decide between betting out, or a check/raise. I consider check/call to be the 3rd choice. You're ahead a far majority of the time vs. a LAG player who could go this far with a set, or a number of 2pair hands. I'm very tempted to c/r here, but a 3-bet means we're basically toast, so I opt for the bet out because I'm pretty confident he's raising me with a wide variety of hands, many of which I'm still beating.

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usually when i get to the river with hands like these, and i nkow he'll bet if i check to him, or raise if i bet, i try and rationalize how many bets i'd want to get in. so against some players, i think between 2-3 is good. so i'll go for the check raise. if i want to go for 1-2, then i'll bet and call a raise.

seeing that you bet, i'll call the raise. and because you have'nt seen him go crazy yet with 2 pair capping a turn, then i think 2 bets is cool. but with a lot of 60+//1+ agg, i'll go for around 3 bets on teh river beucase they are donks for a reason.

stealthcow-

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My thoughts as well, however I'm in the 1-2BB camp instead of 2-3, so I bet/call.

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I don't understand what's going on here... this guy is an 80/15/1.5 donkey, "aggressive in the wrong times," what's the problem? I'm bet/3-betting.

I really hope you're asking how your bet is because you're considering check/raising... check/calling here is just awful

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I don't understand what's going on here... this guy is an 80/15/1.5 donkey, "aggressive in the wrong times," what's the problem? I'm bet/3-betting.

I really hope you're asking how your bet is because you're considering check/raising... check/calling here is just awful

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Right, I was gonna check-raise or bet. I ended up 3betting the donkey and it got capped. Immediately after doing it, I thought I had overplayed it a bit, but I was being results oriented.

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I don't understand what's going on here... this guy is an 80/15/1.5 donkey, "aggressive in the wrong times," what's the problem? I'm bet/3-betting.

I really hope you're asking how your bet is because you're considering check/raising... check/calling here is just awful

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Right, I was gonna check-raise or bet. I ended up 3betting the donkey and it got capped. Immediately after doing it, I thought I had overplayed it a bit, but I was being results oriented.

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65?

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so was it AA or did you lose to a flush?

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How is my river bet here?

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Standard.

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What is my plan if he raises?

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Call. He will cap with a flush and you will have to pay off since he may well cap with a worse set as well.

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Oops I didn't even notice the straight, wouldn't this guy likely guy raise the flop with an OESD though?

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I think its close between call and raise. If you dont think he caps with the draw raise it up.

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It was 5c6c. Maybe I should have just called a raise, but I felt like he'd play 33 and 44 the exact same way here, and he'd only play 56s so there were only 4 possibilities of that hand. Oh well. Slightly overplayed but I'll survive

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It was 5c6c. Maybe I should have just called a raise, but I felt like he'd play 33 and 44 the exact same way here, and he'd only play 56s so there were only 4 possibilities of that hand. Oh well. Slightly overplayed but I'll survive

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I hand read goot. That being so, I bet call the river too.

To those who said bet-call the river.
 

To those who said bet-call the river.

Unless I think the opponent is prone to check behind on this river (which baronzeus gave us no reason to infer), I much prefer checking this one. In fact, I'll do this whether intending on checkraising or checkcalling. I'm just sure that I dislike betting.

If our opponent will bet the river for us with a worse hand, then why bet if we only intend on calling a raise? Checkcalling still extracts the one bet when ahead, without the risk of putting in 2.

Or, if I feel good enough about my hand to bet (ie. think I'm ahead more than ~60%), then why not CR? Surely 2 bets with the risk of 3 is better than 1 with the risk of 2. Theres a few factors that skew this equation, such as whether the opponent will misplay (call when ahead or reraise when behind), but in general I'm not a fan of the "I'd hate to put in 3 bets here, so I'll sacrifice the value of the CR."

Of course, betting with the intention of 3-betting is a valid line too.

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If he raises, I just call. You've put a lot of heat on him already. It looks like the turn helped him, and you've tied up most of the sevens. If he picked up a flush draw on the turn, he just got there.

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If he raises, I just call. You've put a lot of heat on him already. It looks like the turn helped him, and you've tied up most of the sevens. If he picked up a flush draw on the turn, he just got there.

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He really enjoyed waiting to raise/bluff raise turns from what I recall, but since I was probably only good about 60% of the time after he raised my bet I should have just called instead of capping. Oh well it was just a weird hand on a bad day, I may have lost 0.01BB in EV, but I'll live.