KQo Hand 2. Would You Fold This River?
 

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

MP2 is a Fish: I have him at 93/0 after 31 hands. I don't remember how many hands I had on him at the time of this hand.

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button folds.

River: (7.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero ....

Pretty sure I'm beat here. Why the hell else would he raise? I'm reluctant to lay down Top Pair good kicker though.

Did he call down the whole way with no pair and a Two? A2s maybe? Would he call a PF raise with 92 or 52? Probably not. Must be King-Two or A2. But if it was K2, why didn't he raise the turn when he made Two Pair? So he must have A2, Right? Fold the river, right?

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

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10 to 1 is enough for a crying call.

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10 to 1 is enough for a crying call.

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10:1 is a good price.

He plays all his hands, I wouldn´t even be sure he knew the rules..

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Did he call down the whole way with no pair and a Two? A2s maybe? Would he call a PF raise with 92 or 52?

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MP2 is a Fish

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You answered your own question. He has any two cards... probably standard playing cards, but they may be Uno or Magic cards.

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Why the hell else would he raise?

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He may be raising because raising is dope. Also, I have seen some real goofy play when the river pairs the board, people raising because they now have 'two pair', because that is better than top pair.

Cringe and make this call.

-K

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Your line looks good here - call the river against unknown (and take a note on his play). If you knew he's really passive you could fold here (but only if he's very passive, otherwise you should call).

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Call, even some passive players will do this with any pair at all. Without a read, against a single LP player, you might be good 20% of the time - enough to call here.

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Don't fold your strong hand for just one bet. I don't think the call is really crying here, it's just a call, and you are ahead most of the time.

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Did he call down the whole way with no pair and a Two? A2s maybe?

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it wouldn't be the first time that ever happened in 1/2

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Would he call a PF raise with 92 or 52? Probably not. Must be King-Two or A2. But if it was K2, why didn't he raise the turn when he made Two Pair? So he must have A2, Right?

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no, i would say he quite possibly has absolutely nothing you should worry about. or maybe he has a smaller K and doesn't realize he could be in kicker trouble here.

actually, i'm not against a raise here if you think he might be on a possible bluff. b/c bluffing on the river is cool sometimes.

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Are you saying 3 bet the river if he's bluffing?

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Are you saying 3 bet the river if he's bluffing?

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maybe. it'd be very read dependent, but against a fish like this i'd consider it. there just aren't a lot of reasonable hands we trail here and if i've seen MP2 make a move here before i very well may 3-bet him, but rarely. it would suck to get capped, though.

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He might be raising because the board paired. I run into this bluff raise or gaybet about 3 times a session from very high vpip dudes. You gotta call.

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Either has:

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Hold a 2 and has trips, Raises.

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Kx and thinks you had two pair, now thinks hes ahead or splits.

Either way, I call for one bet(like you did - Delete final pot next time [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).

Note down his play after flipping a x2 hand or win the pot. Looks good to me.

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maybe. it'd be very read dependent, but against a fish like this i'd consider it. there just aren't a lot of reasonable hands we trail here and if i've seen MP2 make a move here before i very well may 3-bet him, but rarely. it would suck to get capped, though.

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If he is bluffing he will probably fold to the 3-bet and if he has a legitimate raising hand he will have us beat. Why not just call to cover your bases?

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I figure your probably beat also. But I think I have to call to see. Plus I don't want him thinking a river raise will knock me off my hand.

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uh, folding to this guy on this river would be bad.

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I think you have to call. I'm sure a weak hand will raise a scare card like this enough.

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Are you saying 3 bet the river if he's bluffing?

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maybe. it'd be very read dependent, but against a fish like this i'd consider it. there just aren't a lot of reasonable hands we trail here and if i've seen MP2 make a move here before i very well may 3-bet him, but rarely. it would suck to get capped, though.

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this is incredibly bad. if he's bluffing, what does 3-betting accomplish?

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OK. Thanks for the feedback. It looks like this call was OK. At least 1 time in 10.

The Fish called my Preflop Raise with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and had a boat on the river.

I am still leaking with KQo somewhere. I will continue to look.

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Are you saying 3 bet the river if he's bluffing?

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maybe. it'd be very read dependent, but against a fish like this i'd consider it. there just aren't a lot of reasonable hands we trail here and if i've seen MP2 make a move here before i very well may 3-bet him, but rarely. it would suck to get capped, though.

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um yeah thats pretty bad to do