My 2 years
 

so august 1st was the end of my second year as a poker player. sadly, it was the end of my first year of being a winning player.

i was a losing player at poker for an entire year. i thought i was a winning player. i read HPFAP, but didn't understand it at all. i would go to chumash casino with my roomate and we would play 4-8 with 100 bucks. one bad beat later and 2 missed flops and i would have 2 BB left. then raise any ace allin and lose cuz the flops were 4-6 handed.

i lost about 3000 and owed my roomate about 1500 (he was a small winning player and could afford to laon me money).

I started doing things I'm not proud of. I stole, a lot. Mainly bikes left unlocked at random places on campus. i'd resell em to friends for 30-40 bucks. that year i stole in excess of 40 bikes.

I would scrape together any money possible and drive alone to the casino, lose in about 2 hours, and go back home. sometimes it would take me 8 hours to lose. i would come back at 4-5 in the morning and not go to class.

then i got kicked outta school.

In april, i found a site caled futureme.org and sent myself a letter for one year later. Here was the letter:

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Dear FutureMe,
I hope you're succesful, because you were just kicked outta college. You have 2 jobs right now and are trying to get back in. I'm trying to quit poker right now, cuz as you remember it was devistating to you.

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summer came, and i had no future. i put 100 bucks into party, and played 2-4 with 50 bucks. a week later it was gone. i re-bought again. ran in up to 500, then lost it. this time, i rebought and said i would only play 5+1s.

3 months later i'm 4 tabling the 55's and i have about 2000. i pay back my friend what i owe him and continue playing.

then i find twoplustwo.com
(actually shant found it)

i go look at mid-high stakes and read a post by a guy called mike l. it's a 100-200 hand. he river check-raise bluffs with Ace high and is called by pocket 4s on a board of 7733Q.

i fell in love

i lurked for about 2 months before making an account. i named myself klepton to remind myself of the wrong ideals i once had. by this time i had read SSH and had about 2000. i started 4 tabling 3-6 with no reads, no PT. i read almost every single small stakes hand possible, and read every mid-high stakes hand. every other post talked about the glory of the 15/30, and then i found PT.

on august 1st i started a pokercharts account and started to log everything. all i knew was i had to get ot the 15-30 as fast as possible, especially with a new post every other day asking the question "is the 15-30 drying up [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]??"

january hit and my roll was 6k. i started playing 5-10. worst 2 months of my life. all i did was grit my teeth at the screen and playing 1500 hand sessions to get un-stuck.

by march i had 10k, and decided it was time for the 15-30. my first 1500 hands of 15-30 i lost 4000. i opened up PT and literally went over every hand i played to see what i was doing wrong. aside from one hand where i bluff raised the river on a missed flush draw, i was playing perfectly.

by may i had 22k, and then the party 30-60 tables opened up.

cha-ching.

so now it's august, and i'm trying to think about the things i've done to get here. i don't post as many hands as pokerbob, and i don't analyze extremely deeply as jason_t does, i just do whatever i can to learn as much as i can from the game.

and yes, i ran extremely well. the first 20 days of may was one entire winning streak. am i the second coming of bicyclekick? no. but i did move up.

and that's why i made this post.

move up.

if you have 500bb at your current level, take 50BB and two-table a higher level. hell, take 25bb and take a shot at a juicy table. the play between levels only increases slightly. sure there's a difference between 3-6 and 15-30, but there's not a gigantic difference between 2-4 and 3-6, or 10-20 and 15-30. the only difference is your confidence.

now i'm not advocating playing out of your bankroll. and i'm not saying if you're a 2-4 player take 750 and one table 15-30. i'm saying the minute you spend about 2000 hands at a level you win be immediatly comfortable. even if you are losing, you come onto 2p2, post a couple hands, no matter if you played them horribly or perfect, you're confidence is gonna boost tremendously

shant started playing 2-4 when i was at the 3-6 level. one month ago, shant was at 5-10 SH. he was on the worst run of his life...about 2 months of break even poker. but rakeback is nice. he had enough to take a shot at 10-20. his confidence is so high now he doens't even complain about anything anymore. he's playing 15-30. in 2 months he'll be at 30-60.

move up. take shots. figure out what makes these games harder. the experience of losing 50bb at a higher level will help you in the long run.

i'm happy that i didn't quit poker. i'm happy that i moved up and took shots. i'm happy i'm not a klepto anymore.

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Very interesting story. Sorry you had such a brutal run in the begining. I can't believe you stuck with it.

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Great post.

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Much more respect for you now.

Glad to hear you've turned it around.

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Nice post, but I can't help but asking - did you ever got caught stealing a bike?

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very happy for you

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Nice post, but I can't help but asking - did you ever got caught stealing a bike?

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i was trying to keep this post serious, but i guess i could tell you some stories of bike stealing.

most people dont lock their bikes and just keep them in the back of their houses. so after a night of drinking one of my friends would keep watch while i searched for an unlocked bike. i found one, and started walking it with me along the edge of the house. all of a sudden a guy pops out from around the corner with a girl, and it looks like he's gonna get some upstairs.

he sees me and the bike and goes "hey, that's my bike." all calm as can be, probably to not freak out the girl.

i go "what, this is my bike i left it here at matt's (total bs) house"

he goes "no dude, this is my bike, how unfortunate for you."

that line cracked my friends up for days, but after he said that, i said "fine i'll just pick it up tomrorow if you're gonna get all weird on me."

i walked about 10 feet and then we bolted. problem solved.

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you got luck to have run well and shouldn't be advising people to do the same. the opposite can happen too. I took a shot at 30/60 over the last 2 days and dropped 100 bets in 1000 hands. those things can happen. you are lucky to have run well to start. it doesn't mean everyone should do what you did. it took me a lot of time to build up $6000 at 10/20 only to lose it in 1000 hands at 30/60. it sucks.


the thing about poker is it takes over and it wraps itself around our egos. when we run good we think we're the best and when we run bad we suck and should just give up. when we take a shot and get lucky, everyone should take a shot. when we lose people should be conservative. when it comes down to it, you're on a high and are making recommentations made on a sample of 1, which is you getting lucky. bk made a post about this a while back asking why low limit players haven't moved up. kurosh made a post saying how easy shorthanded games are and how he'll never play full again AFTER ONE SESSION. I have run good at 10/20 6m and tell people that the game is easy. of course it's easy when you're running hot. people are strange like that.

the rest of your post is inspiring and nice, but odn't give advice based on you getting lucky. losing a nice chunk of your roll is devastating, especially if you're taking a shot at a game,w here you have little or no edge.

now also consider you've played 40k hands. at that game that's gotta have a SD of like 20 or 22, so you're looking at a SD of 1 over your sample. it's extremely volatile. so as good as you've run, you can run just as bad.

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I liked the story, and it's good advice. I'm a nit and have the bankroll for 10/20, but continue to force myself to play 3/6 because I only have 8k hands at 3/6 and 4k at 5/10 (and I'm a nit). I think I will it's +EV for me to take a shot at 10/20, but I haven't yet brought myself to do it.

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Great great post. Especially the part about how you're running affecting your outlook on poker. I feel as though i'm a very very logical person, but i've caught myself thinking strange things depending on how my swings are going. The 30 game is no walk in the park, especially with the 20SD that comes along with it.

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I'm glad we've become good friends because I think you're a fantastic and interesting person. I was shocked the first time you mentioned to me your past regarding the bicycles because you're a really nice guy (except when you have KTo and I have QQ and it's my first time playing 9/18 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). I remember a month ago when we went out for some food and we're walking down the street drunk and high and just having a great time; we walked by a homeless guy near your apartment and you stopped and offered to bring him back some food. Given the state of humanity, especially in Los Angeles, your selflessness shocked me. The amount of time you've given to discussing hands and the game and my confidence and psychology with me I will never be able to repay. So I will just make a gigantic public thank you here. Thank you. I wish for nothing but continued success for you and hope to some day be able to play (and run) as well you do.

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the rest of your post is inspiring and nice, but odn't give advice based on you getting lucky. losing a nice chunk of your roll is devastating, especially if you're taking a shot at a game,w here you have little or no edge.

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agree totally... the post was great, but the shot-taking isn't the best advice for a lot of people. The fact that you often won't have an edge, or if you do its very small is the main reason why i think it can be bad advice for some. its very hard to tell for most people when you have an edge, and damn near impossible to tell just how much of one you have.

Also, as Ed Miller's article this month mentioned, it can be an even worse idea if you're playing for a living, and NEED to be earning at least some $$$ each month.

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I'm glad we've become good friends because I think you're a fantastic and interesting person.

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I remember a month ago when we went out for some food and we're walking down the street drunk and high and just having a great time;

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So I will just make a gigantic public thank you here. Thank you.

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I was shocked the first time you mentioned to me your past regarding the bicycles because you're a really nice guy

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Honestly, its hard not to find people who have stolen bikes in IV. I don't steal them because I'm too big of a pussy, but almost every I know has stolen at least one bike. Including almost all the girls I know, my preacher's daughter ex-girlfriend, and all my roomates.

If Carlo ever wants to bring back memories of stealing bikes he can go ahead and drop one off at my house next year, cause I am bikeless after getting 2 stolen this year.

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Thanks for the honest post, but I don't agree with the whole move up thing. There is no advantage to play 2 tables of 10/20 vs 4 tables of 5/10, all other things being equal. Move up when you are skilled enough, and have the bankroll. If you don't have the bankroll, you most likely aren't skilled enough, and on top of it can't take the loss.

On top of that look at your story. Your life basically turned around once you stopped gambling within the brink of death and had enough discipline to play 5+1's, which were within your bankroll. Your friend moved up and suffered bad and almost got destroyed. How can you have this story to tell and come to the exact opposite conclusion is beyond me.

Not moving up fast enough is a problem maybe fifty total members of 2+2 suffer from.

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i want my bike back bitch.

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i pay back my friend what i owe him and continue playing.

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And all the people you screwed over by stealing from them? How did you make that right?

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do you go to Cal Poly?

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move up. take shots. figure out what makes these games harder. the experience of losing 50bb at a higher level will help you in the long run.


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This part I have to agree w/ 100%. Granted, I started out at the micro levels w/ a small bankroll (300 bbs for .5/1). My BR grew VERY quickly (more about that later). I moved to 1/2 3x before I finally was able to stay there. Each of the 3x all of my mistakes were magnified due to the larger stake AND it was VERY good for me. Every time I went back and found more leaks in my game (with help) and patched them up enough to be a marginal-winning player. After the 2nd time, I just moved up to 1/2 w/ only 200+ BBs as confidence increased w/ more learning.

NOW... at the same time --

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the thing about poker is it takes over and it wraps itself around our egos. when we run good we think we're the best and when we run bad we suck and should just give up.

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have run good at 10/20 6m and tell people that the game is easy. of course it's easy when you're running hot. people are strange like that.

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I have to agree w/ this as well--

Back to my hot streak at .5/1 (LOL). I was VERY new to poker and hadn't even read SSHE completely (I think I still have tons of work to do) but I still ran a hot 8.xx BB/100 after 5000 hands at .5/1. If someone can tell me how to get a screen-shot of that I'll post it for verifcation-sake.

Anyway, of course this boosted my confidence THROUGH THE ROOF. THIS WAS VERY BAD cuz I really knew about 15% of poker. Losing 3x at 1/2 was the best thing that happened to me because it forced me to be more serious about examining my game and fixing mistakes (I still have a long way to go IMO). It HUMBLED/SOBERED me concerning the game of poker in the short-run.

I have a friend right now who is new to poker. He plays home STT's and plays Party play money. Well, he's often successfull at the home games and has been successfull at play money. He thinks that he is so successfull at these things that he should quit his job and support himself, his wife, and his newborn son by playing the Party 25's and 55's. Why not, he hasn't finished less than 3rd in the play money STT's more than once out of maybe ~20 (yes, he was serious). He is convinced that he is a good poker player. Trust me, he knows VERY little about winning poker. I quickly bombarded him w/ the necessary conversation that would discourage him from this. I bring him up because it is INSANELY scarey how short-term success at poker deceives people with confidence.

Here's where my $.02 comes in -- Sthief posted about this yesterday, and I think it's great. I didn't take it to the extent that Sthief did, but my bottom line was leaving 1/2 when my BR was down to 300 BBs for .5/1.

The key to successful "shot-taking" or "moving up" is just common sense BR management. There's no reason to blow your whole roll at one level when you could just move down a level, crush it all over again while working on mistakes you made at the other level. Even if it was merely variance that destroyed you, make it up at the next lower stake and take a breather.

Klepton, I doubt that you would disagree with any of that. Just trying to balance out the advice presented in this post.

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I still ran a hot 8.xx BB/100 after 5000 hands at .5/1. If someone can tell me how to get a screen-shot of that I'll post it for verifcation-sake.

Anyway, of course this boosted my confidence THROUGH THE ROOF. THIS WAS VERY BAD cuz I really knew about 15% of poker.

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Don't take this wrong way, but I assure you that you knew far less than 15% of what there is to know about poker. In fact, there probably aren't many people in the world who know 15% of poker.

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I'm seeing a lot of this: Shot taking is bad, don't do it.

I think if we posted some of Bicyclekick's links in here, people would understand the concept better. IT IS GOOD to take some of you BR and do this. It is TOO easy to become stagnent at one level and to fall into an ABC methodology of play. It's just not good. Sure, maybe you can win like that long term. And maybe some people will be/are disciplined enough to keep working on their game while they are winning a level that they have 1000 BBs for (or whatever it is that they have). But for me and probably most (I'm just guessing), if I'm winning at a comfortable stake for my BR, wtf would I want to study and get better? I'm already winning, so what's the point?

Playing at higher levels will just naturally introduce you to better play from your competition. Why wouldn't you want to challenge yourself like that? The same goes with SH play. I am BLOWN AWAY at the ENORMITY of learning "winning SH poker." My friend estimates that it would take about 80 hours of reading posts here to get a comfortable level of knowledge to start out at it. I probalby won't even begin this until I have a proper BR for it, but when I do, I'll probably have to start playing it and LOSE at it while I'm learning. It's ok to lose... everyone say it together -- it is OK to lose while playing out of your ability-range...

If anything, losing will (hopefully) drive you to learn more and more about WHY you're losing.

Read posts from players about this stuff. I'm not saying go into this stuff blind. I'd rather take the shot and hope to at least break-even and be able to post my own hands to have my thinking corrected; gaining the experience all the while.

After a while, poker is just poker. We have to remember that. Sure, higher stakes -- but still poker.

This LINK is the most insightful one I've read concerning this topic and the "mental edge" part of it (BK calls it the "emotional bankroll"). Read the whole thing, but pay careful attention to the question imposed by MarkD and the ensuing insight. Reason enough for me to want to take a shot at a higher stake.

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I'm right at 2 years too. I feel I've pretty well underperformed a lot of people who've been playing that long. I'm only playing 5/10 6-max now and really haven't been playing there that long (17K hands). But I've wavered back and forth between strictly MTT's over this time and then strictly limit HE (if I want to make any excuses). Hopefully I can start to move up a little quicker than comfortable as bankroll isn't an issue. But it's kind of hard as I haven't beat any of the levels so far for over 2BB/100. We'll see.

By any chance, did you take any bikes in Hermosa last summer? Just want to make sure mine went to good use. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I still ran a hot 8.xx BB/100 after 5000 hands at .5/1. If someone can tell me how to get a screen-shot of that I'll post it for verifcation-sake.

Anyway, of course this boosted my confidence THROUGH THE ROOF. THIS WAS VERY BAD cuz I really knew about 15% of poker.

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Don't take this wrong way, but I assure you that you knew far less than 15% of what there is to know about poker. In fact, there probably aren't many people in the world who know 15% of poker.

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Oh no problem at all. I was just trying to think of a small number and pulled it out of the air thinking that 15% would account for beginner's pre-flop play, counting outs, counting immediate odds, knowing winning hand-structure, etc etc...

What do you think would be a more appropriate % (not that this is necessary, but I'm just curious as to how other people view themselves on such a spectrum)?

I suppose that the basic theme I'm getting it is "non-results-oriented evaluation." I just want to play correctly and let the results just be results. Probably pretty standard stuff, so sorry if what I've said so far is old-hat.

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"and LOSE at it while I'm learning. It's ok to lose... everyone say it together -- it is OK to lose while playing out of your ability-range... "


Some of us play to make money, not for the "challenge".

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"and LOSE at it while I'm learning. It's ok to lose... everyone say it together -- it is OK to lose while playing out of your ability-range... "


Some of us play to make money, not for the "challenge".

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Making money is a bi-product of getting better and playing correctly. "Challenging" yourself is an allie to such a pursuit.

Honestly, this isn't for everyone. I'll concede to that. I play part-time, so losing 50-100 BBs by 1 or 2 tabling the next level isn't going to cripple me. To put that into perspective, I could just as easily lose 50-100 BBs of my current stake in any given night's session anyway due to variance, so what does it matter to me? If I can only gain from the experience, I'm gonna do it. I suspect that this is the case for a good portion of the people in these forums.

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"and LOSE at it while I'm learning. It's ok to lose... everyone say it together -- it is OK to lose while playing out of your ability-range... "




Some of us play to make money, not for the "challenge".

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Making money is a bi-product of getting better and playing correctly. "Challenging" yourself is an allie to such a pursuit.

Honestly, this isn't for everyone. I'll concede to that. I play part-time, so losing 50-100 BBs by 1 or 2 tabling the next level isn't going to cripple me. To put that into perspective, I could just as easily lose 50-100 BBs of my current stake in any given night's session anyway due to variance, so what does it matter to me? If I can only gain from the experience, I'm gonna do it. I suspect that this is the case for a good portion of the people in these forums.

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Making money is a product of playing people worse than you are. Increasing how many players are worse than you is the product of getting better. You don't have to play with the worst of it, ever, in order to get better. Even if it allows you to get better faster, it may not be worth it if the cost is too great.

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Excellent post here, I couldn't agree more...

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You are a loser to be stealing from others to support your habit. You are lucky to have any bankroll at all right now, and it's likely that it will be gone soon.

I hope the law catches up with you next time you decide to steal for a bankroll. Grow up and get a job.

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i really enjoyed your post because the sincerity of other people in similiar shoes can make you change your perspective on things.

however, the best post in this thread is from sthief imo. to be telling people to move up from a matter of fact perspective can cause some detrimental problems for alot of people. i dont feel that you have enough poker experience to be telling people how they should be managing their bankrolls and their poker careers, and neither do i. however, i do feel that i am experienced enough to judge this.

there are alot of players who beat lower limits and practice an aggressive move up strategy such as yourself, and many of these people end up becoming the fish at the higher limits. alot of losing players at high stakes could make an excellent living by playing smaller.

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You are a loser to be stealing from others to support your habit. You are lucky to have any bankroll at all right now, and it's likely that it will be gone soon.

I hope the law catches up with you next time you decide to steal for a bankroll. Grow up and get a job.

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I hate to say it, because you seemed like a nice guy in Vegas, but man, I kind of agree with this. Congrats on running well as of late, but seriously, what happens if you hit a huge downswing? Steal cars? I know people do dumb things when they're young, but the number of "WTG Klepton!" posts that followed yours were surprising to me.

I know you seem to not be proud of that past, and that's a good thing, you shouldn't be proud. I can't understand how people say they respect you MORE though now, after reading this.

Best of luck in the future, but I don't think people should be glossing over the beginning of your story.

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I still ran a hot 8.xx BB/100 after 5000 hands at .5/1. If someone can tell me how to get a screen-shot of that I'll post it for verifcation-sake.

Anyway, of course this boosted my confidence THROUGH THE ROOF. THIS WAS VERY BAD cuz I really knew about 15% of poker.

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Don't take this wrong way, but I assure you that you knew far less than 15% of what there is to know about poker. In fact, there probably aren't many people in the world who know 15% of poker.

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bobby i almost always agree with everything you have to say, but your statement is very argumentative and is stated as a fact.

if you quantify the knowledge of a player's perception of the game according to winrate, it should be clear that most poker players understand an overwhelming majority of proper game tactics. you could say that folding every hand or capping every street every hand represents 0% knowledge of game strategy while being able to calculate pot-equity and understanding starting hand guidelines represents 80% of poker knowledge.

i believe that money earned in poker comes from small advantages between players and that the best player in the world who understands 95% of poker is a favorite over a novice who understands 65%.

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they respect him more because of his confession and regret and his willingness to change his attitude about life and poker, and i do too.

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"and LOSE at it while I'm learning. It's ok to lose... everyone say it together -- it is OK to lose while playing out of your ability-range... "




Some of us play to make money, not for the "challenge".

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Making money is a bi-product of getting better and playing correctly. "Challenging" yourself is an allie to such a pursuit.

Honestly, this isn't for everyone. I'll concede to that. I play part-time, so losing 50-100 BBs by 1 or 2 tabling the next level isn't going to cripple me. To put that into perspective, I could just as easily lose 50-100 BBs of my current stake in any given night's session anyway due to variance, so what does it matter to me? If I can only gain from the experience, I'm gonna do it. I suspect that this is the case for a good portion of the people in these forums.

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Making money is a product of playing people worse than you are. Increasing how many players are worse than you is the product of getting better. You don't have to play with the worst of it, ever, in order to get better. Even if it allows you to get better faster, it may not be worth it if the cost is too great.

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With the exception of You don't have to play with the worst of it, ever, in order to get better, I think you basically said everything I said whether explicit or implicit. If not in the above quote, then in my other responses collectively.

In short -- I agree.

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Seriosusly, all the people hating on the # of bikes Klepton stole need to taste a grip of reality that is isla vista. The ammount of bikes stolen is absoultely incredible. Like I have said, nobody gives a flying [censored] crap about the bikes. Everyone gets bike stolen and everyone steals bikes. The people who don't care are just stupid ass idiots who don't understand the IV scene.

PEACE.

ps. drinking rulez!!!one!!!oneeeee!ee!eee!!!!

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if you quantify the knowledge of a player's perception of the game according to winrate, it should be clear that most poker players understand an overwhelming majority of proper game tactics.

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At every form of poker against every kind of opponent? I don't think that's true. There is much more to "poker" than just limit holdem on Party Poker.

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thanks klepton

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Have you made any attempts to make amends for the thefts, or do you just not give a [censored].

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Nice post.

The stealing bikes part was kinda weird. But it's good that you were honest.

Hope you weren't stealing from CSUN. My cousin got his bike stolen. He was pissed lol.

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rulez!!!one!!!oneeeee!ee!eee!!!!

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I think anyone who types something like this is a nerd. And a loser. but I may be wrong. Please correct me?

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rulez!!!one!!!oneeeee!ee!eee!!!! is like the new moran. get with the times pls.

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Seriosusly, all the people hating on the # of bikes Klepton stole need to taste a grip of reality that is isla vista. The ammount of bikes stolen is absoultely incredible. Like I have said, nobody gives a flying [censored] crap about the bikes. Everyone gets bike stolen and everyone steals bikes. The people who don't care are just stupid ass idiots who don't understand the IV scene.

PEACE.

ps. drinking rulez!!!one!!!oneeeee!ee!eee!!!!

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You can look thru my 1800+ posts on this site. I have never called anyone an idiot or got into any flaming wars.

Let this by my first flame post. You are an immature idiot. Stealing is wrong. Very wrong. If all your friends steal bikes, then I suggest you go to www.futureme.org and make a post to change your ways (and change your friends). If you don't view this as extremely bad behavior, then good luck with life. You can't be a 20-year old moron when you are 40!