J8s
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls. Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB folds. Turn: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. River: (11.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 11.50 BB |
Re: J8s
other than the preflop call i think you played it fine w/out reads
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Why do you raise the turn after a bettor and a caller?
And after the river is checked to you why don't you bet then? |
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raised the turn b/c he was ahead and checked the river b/c he couldn't fold to a raise - just guessing
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Just curious -
Obviously you're raising a K/J/8 on the turn, unless its a third club and UTG beats you to it. And I assume you're folding to an A/Q if anyone continues to show strength. What about everything else? |
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I like it all except I bet the river. BB rates to have a worse jack and the other guy is likely to have a draw, though sometimes he'll have a better jack or a weaker made hand.
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Preflop is loose, but the rest is fine.
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I like PF, flop and turn...I assume you're folding to a turn 3-bet? I like taking the free showdown here on the river, although its pretty close. I think when called by BB on the river here you are behind a majority of the time, but when BB calls w/ a worse hand or folds, UTG might call w/a weaker J, a 9, or a pocket pair.
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I like it all except I bet the river. BB rates to have a worse jack and the other guy is likely to have a draw, though sometimes he'll have a better jack or a weaker made hand. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm... what??? BB raised preflop and you're putting him on a worse jack? Not to mention that Hero's 8 kicker doesn't even play on this board, so if the BB does hold the improbable J2-J7 you're chopping with him anyway. Now, if you meant to say that he has a worse hand than a jack (such as TT) that he will call a river bet with, then yes, your argument is reasonable. Personally, I like the way this hand was played. |
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BB raised preflop and you're putting him on a worse jack? [/ QUOTE ] NM, I misread the pre flop action. Well played. |
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Eh, I bet the river (dont know if thats kosher or not, but eh). Besides that nice hand.
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Does anyone consider raising this from the button preflop?
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Does anyone consider raising this from the button preflop? [/ QUOTE ] I think that has no technical merit in terms of cards. It would purely be an exercise in exploiting opponents who fold much too much. Without reads on anyone I don't see how you can go there. I'm OK with the preflop call against one loose limper and blinds who don't raise a huge amount--typical 5/10 opponents. The turn decision is difficult without reads and there is a case for all three actions: 1. Fold: This is a bad turn card because it destroyed your outs. BB has gone beyond the point where many players will keep pushing a low pocket or unimproved high cards on this scary board. Plus it always looked like a good board for him compared to your weak jack. If both opponents are decent players then your pot equity does not warrant paying two more for a showdown. Each opponent is individually favored to be ahead and when you are ahead they have a ton of outs. Meanwhile you probably have very few outs. 2. Call: The free showdown play looks good because a 3-bet probably means you are drawing dead, but if the river is bad (e.g. A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) you could probably save by calling and folding the river. Also if you call it will be two bets to you on the river a significant amount and that's another chance to save a bet. Finally there is always some risk in raising with no reads. For instance a stop-n-go river bet would be awkward because you won't know what it means. 3. Raise: Has potential to collect extra bets from draws and possibly force out a hand like Ax ahead of the river. Betting the river was always questionable as I think you are behind too much. Losing your kicker on the river is absolutely the last straw and should end all thoughts of betting. |
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you said it best: i can raise the turn because folding to a 3bet is easy.
[ QUOTE ] Betting the river was always questionable as I think you are behind too much. Losing your kicker on the river is absolutely the last straw and should end all thoughts of betting. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, i didn't even think the river was debatable but many people like a bet here. i still don't. pfr had AQ, other guy had QT and his hand was good. |
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This is standard! Well played.
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