Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

I didn't realize it until I saw his picture after he won, but it turns out that I played at my first table with Joe Hachem. We chatted a bit prior to the tourney and after our table broke we ended up at tables next to each other across the room and talked during each break. Very nice guy and seemed at the time to me to be a pretty strong player.

Anyway, he played a hand at our first table that was noteworthy. I was in the 10 seat and he was in the 1 seat. Table seemed very unremarkable except for the guy in the 9 seat, who appeared very nervous and completely out of his element. In the first couple of orbits he acted out of turn twice, and then lost a few chips to me in a battle of the blinds when he played AQ way too slowly and let me catch running cards for a flush.

So the hand in question begins on the third orbit or so, Hachem raises to 200 from UTG and gets called by the CO and the 9 seat in the SB while I fold my BB.

Flop comes AK3r. SB checks, Hachem bets out 500, CO folds and the SB thinks for a bit and calls.

Turn is a Q, putting a flush draw on the board. SB shakily grabs a 1k chip and tosses it into the pot. Hachem glares at him for 30 seconds or so, then raises to 3000. SB fiddles with his chips for a while and calls.

Turn is a 9, no flush possible. Now the SB bets 500 and Hachem raises him yet again to 3000. SB tanks for a minute and then calls.

What do they have?

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

A/K for Hachem & A/Q for the SB?

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

KQ for the SB. He probably would have bet out on the flop if he had AQ. I put Hachem on a set of Ks. Maybe set of Aces.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

SB has a crappy hand. Maybe just an A, possibly something like A3. Hachem has a bigish hand but not a straight, my guess would be AQish. The turn was the decision point where he decided whether to raise for value or just call down. That's my guess.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

Very very likely Hachemhas a set..

I put him on Q-Q (90%), A-K (10%).

I'll put SB two pair A-9, K-Q.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

My guess is AK or KK for Hachem, AQ for SB

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

I like SB for 33. I think he has to have some chances to win to call the turn raise and the river raise. I think he could dump AQ by the river.

I like Hachem for KK to lead the flop, and raise all the way down.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

i know the results.

you guys are so close, yet so far.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

Hachem - AA
SB - J10s

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
Hachem - AA
SB - J10s

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh, that would mean that SB has the nuts, and therefore would have to have been a complete idiot for not reraising on the river.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Hachem - AA
SB - J10s

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh, that would mean that SB has the nuts, and therefore would have to have been a complete idiot for not reraising on the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

and the description of the SB prevents this?

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

I would put SB on AQ, maybe AK. I can't see a nervous (= weak-tight?) player with anything smaller than a big 2-pair by the turn.

I would put Hachem on QQ or JT, even though I know KK is more logical. That long pause and raise on the turn feels like "holy $#!+, I hit my gin card" to me.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

Hatchem knows this player will call down, so he has no problem betting his AA.

Donk has KQ.

Edit: I also would not be surprised at all if Hatchem had JTs. Donk *definitely* has KQ though. I would put KK in Hatchem's range also but given that Donk has KQ those are unlikely.

Now that I think about it more I like Hatchem having JTs more and more.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

They both got AK and chop the pot.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

I smell set over set.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

I don't see how you guys read SB as having something like A3 or KQ. All we know is he's a nervous slowplayer.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
They both got AK and chop the pot.

[/ QUOTE ]


BINGO! I think you just hit the nail on the head. Either A-Q or A-K.. Chop the pot.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

Hachem: ak
SB= kq

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

the river bet screams I have a hand that I want to check fold, but its a good hand. So I'm going to bet and hope you jsut call. Now that you raised, I want to fold, but you might be bluffing, and my hand is pretty good, and I really want to know what you have, so I call.

Underbetting mediocre hands and then calling a raise is one of the most salient characteristics of NL players our of their depth.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

So what was the outcome? Let's hear it.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

Hachem showed strength before the flop with a raise from UTG. Range of hands at this point is big pairs, AK, AQ. He may have raised preflop with a few other hands to vary his play.

The SB calls the UTG raise out of position. We know he has to have something but you say he is totally out of his element here, so we have to question whether he fully understands the Gap Concept. If he is really out of his element, I wouldn't rule out calling with middle pairs or higher or any two broadway cards suited if he is the type to defend his partial bet.

Hachems' bet doesn't really give us any new information as this could be a standard continuation bet after the SB checked. However, the range of hands he likely started with suggest that this flop hit his hand. The SB thought for a bit and called. He caught a piece of it.

On the turn, the Q definitely helped the SB. He bets out and gets raised and just calls. He either has a set of Qs of has made two loose calls with KQ and has made two pair.
The shakiness suggests it's trips, but would a player like this not reraise with QQ preflop? I say KQ is more likely here. Hachem is not detered after seeing the Q helped the small blind. He either has AK, AQ, AA, or KK. I think the two pair here is more likely than the set.

River doesn't change anything if my turn read is correct.

I'm putting Hachem on AK and the SB on KQ although I can't narrow it down that precisely. Hachem could also have AQ, KK, or AA. SB could also have QQ.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

nobody has guessed hachem's hand yet



(insert jeopardy music here)

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
I don't see how you guys read SB as having something like A3 or KQ. All we know is he's a nervous slowplayer.

[/ QUOTE ]

He definitely has KQ. He check-calls the flop, meaning he has something but isn't thrilled, so he calls the small bet. When he leads the turn, shaking, he hit his hand. He would have lead the flop with AQ, thus he has KQ.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't see how you guys read SB as having something like A3 or KQ. All we know is he's a nervous slowplayer.

[/ QUOTE ]

He definitely has KQ. He check-calls the flop, meaning he has something but isn't thrilled, so he calls the small bet. When he leads the turn, shaking, he hit his hand. He would have lead the flop with AQ, thus he has KQ.

[/ QUOTE ]

sb had KQ

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
nobody has guessed hachem's hand yet



(insert jeopardy music here)

[/ QUOTE ]

People have already said AA,KK,QQ and AK and AQ. So did he have JTs?

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

JT was mentioned...not his hand.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

My guess would be AJ for the donkey, and AK for Hachem.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

No, because I guessed JTs.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
nobody has guessed hachem's hand yet



(insert jeopardy music here)

[/ QUOTE ]
In that case, I'll guess something ridiculous like AT.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
nobody has guessed hachem's hand yet



(insert jeopardy music here)

[/ QUOTE ]
In that case, I'll guess something ridiculous like AT.

[/ QUOTE ]

nope

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

KQ for donkey, 33 for Hachem???

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

What were the blinds?

If they were 50/100 Hatchem could have 33. Not if they were 25/50 though.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
nobody has guessed hachem's hand yet



(insert jeopardy music here)

[/ QUOTE ]
In that case, I'll guess something ridiculous like AT.

[/ QUOTE ]
nope

[/ QUOTE ]

33? Just tell us already

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
In that case, I'll guess something ridiculous like AT.

[/ QUOTE ]

No way, there is no way Hatchem does not have the best hand here.

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
What were the blinds?

If they were 50/100 Hatchem could have 33. Not if they were 25/50 though.

[/ QUOTE ]

blinds were 25-50...he didn't have 33

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

Ok...99 for Hachem then..He spiked it on the river

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
Ok...99 for Hachem then..He spiked it on the river

[/ QUOTE ]

yahtzee

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

There's a bit of a clue in the description of the turn action....

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

[ QUOTE ]
nobody has guessed hachem's hand yet



(insert jeopardy music here)

[/ QUOTE ]

Hachem has 99

Flop continuation bet
Turn steal-raise attempt from a scared player
river value-raise after he hits his 2-outer

Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event
 

Hachem - 33
SB - AQ/KQ

Durs