Shorthanded Omaha hand
 

£2-£4 game at the Broadway Casino in birmingham. It's late in the night and the casino is about to close so this is the last hand and it's 3 handed.

button(£1090)-me
sb (£550)
bb (£450)- bad player. Loose aggressive preflop and plays weak postflop. He's also stuck about a grand on the night.

I raise on the button to 10 with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
sb folds and BB makes it 30
This means he has 4 cards and is trying to build a big pot

I call and the flop comes J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
he checks to me, I bet 50 and he calls.
He's only checkraised me once all night and it was on a drawless board so i'm fairly certain he doesn't have a monster here. When he calls i put him on a 8 card draw maximum and probably worse

turn comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
he checks and i bet 100 and he flat calls again

river comes 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Should i bet to represent the full house and move him off a possible flush or check knowing my hand is probably good?

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You should bet about 1/3 the pot because, as far as I can see, he has a flush draw with jacks, and won't give you anymore chips if you come out swinging.

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You should bet about 1/3 the pot because, as far as I can see, he has a flush draw with jacks, and won't give you anymore chips if you come out swinging.

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Are you misreading LA's hand here? If not this logic makes no sense.

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I dont raise preflop.

If I bet the river, I consider it a bluff. If he's stuck, he's gonna find a reason to call with a flush. A stereotypical Brit is a big steamer.

If you think the Q is ahead, then checking is safest. A small bet might provoke an out of character checkraise bluff out of desperation.

gl

dd

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I dont raise preflop.


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3 handed you wouldn't raise this? I would've straddled here and put in a raise as well.

I agree that the only reason to bet the river is if you think queens up isn't good AND he will not call, which is a bit of a parlay 3 handed.

Anyway I'm checking here.

Side question. Do UK live games usually play this shallow? Most live PLO games here run deep, very deep at times.

Re: Shorthanded Omaha hand
 

Anytime you have a small pocket pair in your hand, you're losing half of its potential. This is fine in a ring game, where you are looking to hit the pair, or the other offerings in the hand, or get out. In SH, you are looking to make two pair kind of hands to win and this tiny pair makes that very much harder. I would rather have any other card in the hand than that additional 4, in which case I will of course raise.

I might raise with the hand in question as well, but on the drive home feel less good about it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Except for rare places and venues, cash games inthe UK are notoriously shallow. It's not unusual to have a £2 blind game with a £50 or £100 buyin and the whole table buys in for the minimum. Back in the 90s I played in a fairly well known £5-£5 game, which was home to occassional appearences from what are now WCP. And yet the buyin was £200 with additional rebuys allowed of just £100. And although it wasn't rare for someone to just plonk 1k down, it was unusual. And no one ever put down, say £5k.

cheers

dd

Re: Shorthanded Omaha hand
 

Dave I'm surprised you of all people don't raise this 3 handed on the button. They might both pass and if they call a bet on the flop is going to take this down most of the time as I have a tightish image.

I checked the river and my hand was good. I was thinking in hindsight that a bet might have been better in case he possibly has something like KKxx, AAxx, or a flush and he would probably pass to my bet. He showed something like J986 and said "he even wins when he bluffs" as he walked over to the cashier.

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This game has a mixture of short and large stacks from 150 to around 1000. This was the last hand so about 5 people had left to go cashout but there was around 4000-5000 on the table throughout the night.

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Are you misreading LA's hand here? If not this logic makes no sense.

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I meant a club flush draw.

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I just do not see this player folding any hand that beats yours on the last hand of the night, based on your description. You should check behind. He's not deep enough to fold and the feel of the moment seems wrong to me to run a big bluff. He's too shallow and too desperate for it to work.

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I can't remember if you were originally a brit or not, LA. How are u finding the Brummie games? Historically, they were seen as being some of the toughest in the UK.

Of course at the table I would probably raise, its just I feel that in an ideal world, shorthanded, small pair hands are so much weaker. Happy to be proved wrong!

gl

dd

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A button raise looks standard

I can't believe he reraised preflop and then checked top pair and an open ender. I guess he would have bet if he missed.

Check on the river is standard.

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repitious I know but I check behind as well. I can't call c/r.

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Stuck and steaming, AND a poor postflop player, it's hard to see you moving him off a flush. His preflop raise suggests a possible high pair in hand, which you might be able to shift with a 1/3-pot bet or so. However, I think his play looks like a draw of some sort most of the way through, so I'd check and hope that he shows a wrap or straight draw around the flop without a flush draw.

If you think there's any possibility of him dropping a medium-sized flush draw I think you should bet. Otherwise I think checking seems the best action; the majority of hands that beat you seem likely to call, I think the only ones you shift are KKxx and AAxx.

Monk
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