Dan Druff and Stars 100/200
 

I would be interested to hear any high-limit online players comment on this thread on neverwinpoker. Dan Druff, aka Todd Witteles, 2005 WSOP bracelet winner, has been running so bad in the Stars 100/200 than he is entertaining some notions about a "kill switch" that makes certain players lose. He does NOT say he believes in it, but he seems to be seriously considering it as an idea. Notice he doesn't have pokertracker, so there isn't any hard data.

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doh. that's banned too. I'll check it out later, thanks.

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If there is a "Kill Switch" that makes cretain players lose, then that's good for the rest of us right? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Lost Wages

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Warning. Only check it out if you enjoy high stakes player whining about bad beats like little bitches.

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He sounds like an idiot. Does anyone who plays that game regularly think he play well? I'm still waiting for Stars to give me access to the restriced games but I've watched before and been unimpressed with his play.

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I know how he feels. this weekend over three long sessions I got drawn out on it seemed like every time, in the most ridiculous ways possible. so many 4 flushes/ 4 straights. I'd call it as the hand progressed: 'sweet, two pair. turn comes and he goes wild. what's he got? set of aces? no that's just too absurd. he must have made the dumb-ass straight. oh look, it is a set of aces.' also getting caught up with for a chop a ridiculous number of times. what's the lesson I take from it? that poker is a vicious, sadistic game. I haven't yet begun to suspect that the game is rigged--but wouldn't it be funny if we found it some day that it was?!

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Wow. I thought his 1st post might be a joke and there was going to be a "ha ha ha, just kidding, see how stupid you guys sound when you complain?" follow-up. Oops.

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Yah lol. 2+2>neverwinpoker. Can you imagine bk or dcifr making a post like that?

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He plays fine.

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I don't believe that online poker is rigged, but I have heard more people complain about poker stars than any other site. This includes on threads and talking to people at live games. Some of the posters on the Dan Druff forum was saying something about how flops hit a lot more hands shorthanded on PS. I know when I play short on PP this isn't the case a lot of the time. With so many people complaining there might be something to it.

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That's exactly what I'm looking for. I'm excited to go home.

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Dan Druff is an excellent poker player.

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Looks to me like he lost the least possible on these beats.

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I've haven't played hundred of thousands of hands but weird beats happen all the time on the two sites I frequent regularly, Party and Stars. When these things happen, usually all in a row, I get rather frustrated but I've been on both sides of things. I've runner, runnered someone when they checked top set on the flop and I've been runner runner flushed too many times to imagine especially short handed (which I usually play).

I've also been frustrated by plays at the casino, and I've seen weird things at the casino. At the casino I've seen my top set versus a guys middle set lose to a sad sucker straight, I've seen a hand with AA vs QQ, vs JJ vs 88 vs 55 vs 1010 at the casino. My friend was a victim of AA vs QQ vs JJ vs AK (hits broadway on the river) at a live Tunica tourney. A guy told me, some guy rivered broadway versus A10, 3 sets at 20/40 in Tunica, runner runner capped the whole way. Things happen live as well. So due to luck, things happen in poker once in a while.

Have you watched many MTT tourneys on stars? Honestly I can predict flops around 40% of the time just by looking at 2 persons hole cards. Honestly, the action all-in flops sometimes are so rediculous it's amazing . I've also repeatedly guessed when a backdoor flush will hit when 2 people are allin. I don't know if it's the number generator or luck, but sometimes it's just weird. I haven't frequently watched the late game party tournies, but I don't know if people have seen similar results. I doubt it's fixed but maybe there number generator, it's as random as it could be....I don't know, I still play, I still win, I still have fun.....Tim is obviously frustrated by Stars right now, I've been frustrated before, I've taken some time off, maybe that's just what he needs.

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I'm officially saying that this thread belongs in the zoo after that last post. Please, all rational posters, resist the urge to tell this guy why he is wrong. I beg of you. Moderator, please move this post.

Best Regards,

Matt

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Yeah, playing super solid is unimpressive. LAGs is where it's at.

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When was the last time PokerStars validated their random number generator? I've played at PokerStars for several years off and on. I've been playing more SNG 1 table NL tournaments than anything else. I'm actually winning there, am happy with my results, and even got into the money at the limit hold'em WCOOP event last year so this is far from a complaint about bad beats. However, some things seem a little strange recently. I'm not playing alot of poker but almost all of it is at PokerStars. Getting back to the strangeness. It's probably more paranoia than anything else but one thing I've noticed I seem to get repeat hands during a SNG alot and as I said I've been playing mostly SNG 1 table NL hold'em. To be honest I don't know how often repeat hands should occur during the course of SNG 1 table tourney to be considered rare. There have been a few other things that seemed a bit odd but I concede that they're probably sparked by my paranoia over the repeat hands. Actually I've always thought PokerStars was on the square and never really suspected anything until recently and that suspicion is slight. Again my results recently are fine and I'm not seriously committed right now to playing so definitely take this FWIW. It's not a nagging concern just a mild one.

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He plays very well. So does a few others at the high limits, and a lot plays decent. DanDruff has won a lot. And for other periods, I am sure he has run over "fishes" for far more money per hand than the gap in playing quality should indicate. Maybe at other sites than PokerStars, but still.

It's poker and it goes both ways (even for guys like him, as the Neverwin thread should testify).

I bet he had some insane luck on his way to the WSOP title too if we were to back track every single hand.

lars

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All I said is I've seen weird things Live and Online? I guess that's not a rationale thing to say. Honestly have you watched many final tables on Stars weeklies. It'll be overpair vs 2 suited big cards and magically it's be top set vs flush draw, it happens all the time. I watch them every week. Obviously other people IE Dan Druff share my opinion. Obviously I don't care, I still play, I still love Stars poker, I think it's the best interface, but after watching rediculous flop after rediculous flop on the Stars weeklies and other final tables, I guess I'm pretty jaded of what possibly can happen.

I've seen bad beats live, I've seen them online, some weird hands just happen on Stars...as I've said earlier I can't comment on "wierd" occuarces on Party cause I don't watch there final tables. Did I say online poker was rigged, nope, I said it's weird about the action flops when 2 people are all in late in tournies. Honestly I watch the WPT, I play live all the time and I never see these miracles beats happening when 2 people are all in, at such consistantcy. I guess it's just variance.....I guess you haven't experienced this at all.

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Lars-he cracked 2 people's sets on his way to the title (at the final table) (rivered straights and flushes). I guess he forgets those live "outliers."

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I play my friend/poker guru/rooomate a total of 10 times in cash 200-400 freezeouts, the beats and "action flops" that happen have been ridiculous, not one match has gone down where something as you just described --hasn't happened-and at a crucial point, hell we played 3-handed on friday with another friend, we were all dealt 6-2o.

I'm pretty sure I'm shuffling right.

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By the way, I have just finished reading DanDruff's post at Neverwinpoker.

There is NOTHING special with those hands. Lets see. It's eight hands. One of those, he was never ahead. Granted, losing with top two on a threesuited board is a bit bad, but not much more either. AA w/nutflushdraw on the flop, losing to a better hand on the flop, I mean, doesn't this happen to all of us a couple of times during a long day or two?

AQ on Q high flop losing to KT? I mean...GET REAL! Top pair losing to some guy who raises (very correctly, seeing as opponent doesn't even reraise with TPTK) the turn for a free showdown, then catches his flopped five-outer after missing the turn?

Ok, the AA vs AK and QQ vs QT is a bit bad, but I lost with QQ vs QJ just a day ago, and then the flop was 7-4-4 (and I was the one holding the backdoor-flushdraw).

Queens losing to someone catching their overcard twice. Call CNN?

"A fish" beating DanDruff's AQo with A3s (30% shot). Oh my God. Makes you wonder how ofte he has really lost this SEVENTY-PERCENT chance to win. How many AQ isolations vs the fish's worse ace has helped finance his bankroll?

Seems like a quite bad session, but nothing more either really. Actually, if this is his "big complaint" after probably 4-5 years of online poker, the only conclusion I draw from this is how good some guys can run for an extended period of time.

lars

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Okay did I say Stars was fixed. I said it was weird. Maybe those are all the hands I can remember. I can write down a list of the "suspicious" hands I see next time I watch the weekly final table. I said sometimes poker is weird, if you read Dan Druff he says the action is weird at times on Stars.....that's his personal opinion and I've seen it on occasion, not saying that they fix hands for rake, I think that's crazy and I don't see why Stars would ever do that, but I'm not in total disaggrement that on Stars. I'm not in total aggreement either.

I'm not saying there is a program like some of the posters on NW say, if A's card = this and B's cards = this then will have this flop, and so on and so forth. If you read the thread, some people say that. I just think some of the final 3 table allins with huge blinds are some times rediculous...maybe I'm just watching a lot of outliers.

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I watched Twin-Caracus lose AA vs AQ to running Q's yesterday after the board paired 4s on the flop yesterday....He acts like it never happens to anyone else. He's just running cold, which happens, he is also whining b/c this year he is down on Stars while up on all the other sites he plays on (I think he said he plays on Party in the past). He also knows the competition due to the restiction is much tighter on Stars than on other sites, and in the past he's won repeatedly but now he's down and it's time to whine about it. I guess the WSOP check(s) haven't cleared yet [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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I would be interested to hear any high-limit online players comment on this thread on neverwinpoker. Dan Druff, aka Todd Witteles, 2005 WSOP bracelet winner, has been running so bad in the Stars 100/200 than he is entertaining some notions about a "kill switch" that makes certain players lose. He does NOT say he believes in it, but he seems to be seriously considering it as an idea. Notice he doesn't have pokertracker, so there isn't any hard data.

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Most likely Dan Druff is just hamming it up for all the broke ass idiots on that site. If he was REALLY that upset about all of these beats it would shock me.

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Those were just examples....he's down for the year on Stars. Maybe he's full of sh!t, maybe he'll say I was "just kidding," who knows.

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I've played against him a number of times and watched a fair amount. He is IMO one of the most solid online limit players around.

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I would be interested to hear any high-limit online players comment on this thread on neverwinpoker. Dan Druff, aka Todd Witteles, 2005 WSOP bracelet winner, has been running so bad in the Stars 100/200 than he is entertaining some notions about a "kill switch" that makes certain players lose. He does NOT say he believes in it, but he seems to be seriously considering it as an idea. Notice he doesn't have pokertracker, so there isn't any hard data.

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Most likely Dan Druff is just hamming it up for all the broke ass idiots on that site. If he was REALLY that upset about all of these beats it would shock me.

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When you are losing $1000s day in day out while playing your A game against retards it's very easy to start thinking all kinds of crazy things.

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I would be interested to hear any high-limit online players comment on this thread on neverwinpoker. Dan Druff, aka Todd Witteles, 2005 WSOP bracelet winner, has been running so bad in the Stars 100/200 than he is entertaining some notions about a "kill switch" that makes certain players lose. He does NOT say he believes in it, but he seems to be seriously considering it as an idea. Notice he doesn't have pokertracker, so there isn't any hard data.

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Most likely Dan Druff is just hamming it up for all the broke ass idiots on that site. If he was REALLY that upset about all of these beats it would shock me.

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When you are losing $1000s day in day out while playing your A game against retards it's very easy to start thinking all kinds of crazy things.

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I imagine, Dan, like many other players (including some of the most respected 2+2ers) vastly underestimates the variance inherent in poker.

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Yep, this is very shocking though, 'I'm not up on Stars in 2005.'

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Ha, wouldn't it be great if one day 'stars just come out and said, 'oh [censored], you got us, you're right we are rigged, all this time we have been cheating, sorry, wont happen again! pretty funny eh?'

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I guess I misremembered what I saw and/or caught him on a bad play and/or my reads suck. I thought I remembered seeing him make some very questionable (like unpaired cards below ten) early position preflop raises, from what you guys have said I'm probably thinking of someone else. He still sounds like an idiot whining in that thread on neverwin.

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Believe me, I know that for a fact. Sometimes you run so bad you are convinced it MUST be rigged even though intellectually you know that's not likely.

Jeff

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I have played a TON against druff....here are my comments. There is no switch....I remember these theroys in 1999 on paradise. Plain and simple. If you think its rigged, check your game. Read this again, if you think its rigged CHECK YOUR GAME. I really think in the PS 1-2 game there are a lot of BAD players who most of you think are really good. Egos get in the way! Have you ever seen neverwin play in a full 6-10 handed game? I'm not saying it is a easy game by any means tho...you have to pick and chose your spots with caution. It is one of the hardest limit games anywhere that I know of. A lot of solid players are not cut out for super super aggresive short handed play. Dandruff is a very good player but I do not see him as a long time winner in short handed play in that game. Here is why...dandruff is very easy to read. His play is very predictable and easy to play against. He plays to much "by the book" The fact he is a complainer means he is a little bi*ch. I only have 35k hands in the gamebut have a win rate of 1.08 BB/100 so the game is beatable. If I can beat so can you. I started playing poker at the 2-4 and have moved up as should you. Just my 2 cents....

Brian R

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i thought dan druff was a smart guy but just learned he doesn't like calvin and hobbes so maybe not

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Hey donkey, when he plays 100/200, HE'S DROPPING DOWN IN LIMITS.

Sounds like you need to "CHECK YOUR GAME" homey.

Meow.