TUAN LE
 

READ AN ARTICLE ON HIM AND HE STATED HE HAS NEVER READ A POKER BOOK I FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE HOW CAN ONE PLAY POKER WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING & APPLYING THE MATH BEHIND IT?

Re: TUAN LE
 

DO YOU HAVE TO READ A BOOK TO UNDERSTAND? HOW DID THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE BOOK UNDERSTAND IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

If you wanna get som serious answers (prolly too late now), then I suggest stop screaming.

Re: TUAN LE
 

ok ill stop screaming because i want some serious replies to my post thanks

Re: TUAN LE
 

I placed 7th out of 250 players back in 2003 at Foxwoods Tuesday night rebuy tourney, and I had never read a poker book at that time.

I had played 7-stud since my teens, and had recently picked up NL hold em.

Re: TUAN LE
 

his voice intimidates the other players so much, how could he not win? who needs books?

Re: TUAN LE
 

If I'm wrong, please correct me, but the only math involved in poker that I've used isn't anything beyond arithemetic (figuring out pot size, figuring out size of bet compared to size of pot, better known as pot odds) and simple probability. Even the non-math-inclined people out there can do these sorts of calculations on the fly with a bit of practice. I'll admit that I'm majoring in math right now and even I had to read HPFAP to realize that I could do better in my Thursday night poker game with simple math. But it doesn't seem impossible to me for someone to figure out with time that they shouldn't chase when the pot is small, that their opponent could be holding a range of different hole cards with some being more likely than others, etc.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Tuan (if he is telling the truth) probably applies a rough math based on past experience, reads, and the relative size of the pot, rather than actually crunching any numbers. I'd be interested to hear what other people think.

Re: TUAN LE
 

While I was in Vegas last year watching the WSOP (I was only 19 at the time so I couldn't play it), I was talking to Phil Ivey while he was shooting craps. I asked him if he recommended any books. He said "I don't recommend anything. Just play. Play all the time. There's no substitute for experience." I took htis comment to heart and have been abiding by it ever since. Not to say that there is anything wrong with reading books. I guess its just personal preference.

Re: TUAN LE
 

Quit shouting! You are hurting my ears. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

retard strength
 

i have no doubt this is true. tuan is a degenerate gambler. hes been broke 100 times. he would always play the biggest game he had the minimum buy in for at the Bike whether it be 4-8 or 400-800 or 4000-8000. he always played like a retard BUT retards have retard strength and he has it.

Re: retard strength
 

Pretty much, sometimes you get lucky. Now Tuan has done well in a few big events, that doesn't mean he didn't get lucky each time, but I think you have to give the kid credit, even if you don't care for his playing style (which I view as super-agressive)

I found the two Harrington on Hold 'Em books, and Caro's Poker Tells, to be extremely useful in improving my game.

Re: TUAN LE
 

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I placed 7th out of 250 players back in 2003 at Foxwoods Tuesday night rebuy tourney, and I had never read a poker book at that time.

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Ya, but don't you have an overactive luckbox...? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: TUAN LE
 

Not sure when that article was written, but I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that Greenstien said Tuan read his book.

Re: retard strength
 

Honestly knowing pot odds, and all that, it's pretty obviousto the human eye. It's not hard to just say to yourself that you need X amount of cards to make your hand and there's x amount in pot. Work from there. I think most people who haven't read just have figured out their own way of calculating based on the situation and factor in levels of risk by skills. Why do you think the best player write the best books? They develop their own style and get successful in shutting down cookie cutter styles of other people. I watched Tuan Lee the other day and I was real impressed with his style, but level of ...whats the word... balls?

Re: TUAN LE
 

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I placed 7th out of 250 players back in 2003 at Foxwoods Tuesday night rebuy tourney, and I had never read a poker book at that time.

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Ya, but don't you have an overactive luckbox...? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


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I was riDONKulously lucky, but I wasn't a terrible player back then. I just didn't know then what I know now.

Also, for those putting a lot of faith into the math of the game. I have to say that Caro's book of Poker Tells took my game to the next level. It allowed me to see things I hadn't before, or at least to understand things I had seen before. It allows you to make moves against your opponents with no hand, no draw, etc., because you know that they don't have a strong enough hand to stay with you.

Re: TUAN LE
 

vietnamese dont need to read poker books. they are natural born gamblers. they are taught all the tricks in the womb.

Re: TUAN LE
 

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vietnamese dont need to read poker books. they are natural born gamblers. they are taught all the tricks in the womb.

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I'm not sure why there are so many racist comments springing up in this forum.

But, I sure am getting good practice at suspending posters.

Re: TUAN LE
 

BOOKS ARE COOL I LIKE BOOKS THEY MAKE YOU BETTER AND THEY ARE COOL CAN ANYONE RECOMMEND ME SOME BOOKS. K THANKS BYE

Re: TUAN LE
 

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vietnamese dont need to read poker books. they are natural born gamblers. they are taught all the tricks in the womb.

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I see you saw The Deer Hunter. Now, please practice some RR on your own.

~D

Re: TUAN LE
 

I haven't won any WPT or WSOP events, but I have won tournies at the Legends of Poker, Commerce, Hustler, etc, and I've never read a book. Um, poker book, I mean.

I'm obviously not Tuan, but I've had good success without reading any poker books. It can be done.

Josh

Re: TUAN LE
 

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Not sure when that article was written, but I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that Greenstien said Tuan read his book.

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Realize though that Tuan won those tournaments months ago and Barry's book is new.

I checked and Tuan didn't cash in ANY WSOP 2005 events, but Nam made 2 cashes.

I tried the wreckless style once in an online tournament, I made the final table!

I added a dose of gamb00l to my game and it has helped some, so I did get something out of it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


>TW<

Re: TUAN LE
 

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While I was in Vegas last year watching the WSOP (I was only 19 at the time so I couldn't play it), I was talking to Phil Ivey while he was shooting craps. I asked him if he recommended any books. He said "I don't recommend anything. Just play. Play all the time. There's no substitute for experience." I took htis comment to heart and have been abiding by it ever since. Not to say that there is anything wrong with reading books. I guess its just personal preference.

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aaahmm(bullshit)aaahmm

sorry guys had to clear my throat

Re: TUAN LE
 

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vietnamese dont need to read poker books. they are natural born gamblers. they are taught all the tricks in the womb.

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I'm not sure why there are so many racist comments springing up in this forum.

But, I sure am getting good practice at suspending posters.

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I think the proper word is prejudice. And come on, some of the lewd comments on here lately have been a total 1.4!

John
-About to hotwire, peace

Re: TUAN LE
 

I think they said on the WPT coverage that Tuan Lee's tutor is Barry Greenstein. I guess with such a teacher you don't need a book. It is like learning chess from a grandmaster.

Re: TUAN LE
 

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The post to which you are responding seemed totally plausible to me. On what basis are you suggesting otherwise?

Re: TUAN LE
 

The same way Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, etc. managed to win millions without using Pokertracker, etc. Books, software, etc. might help accelerate the learning curve but they are no substitute for experience. Every time you screw up a hand your brain files it away as "Don't do THAT again." Learning from mistakes is a better teacher than any book.

Re: TUAN LE
 

Geez. Its true. I really did shoot craps with Phil in Vegas. Why is it so hard to believe? Here's proof. I guess the pic doesn't prove that I was shooting craps with him but it does prove that I had an opportunity to talk poker with him. Check out the URL: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6059/10000557ci.jpg

Re: TUAN LE
 

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Geez. Its true. I really did shoot craps with Phil in Vegas. Why is it so hard to believe? Here's proof. I guess the pic doesn't prove that I was shooting craps with him but it does prove that I had an opportunity to talk poker with him. Check out the URL: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6059/10000557ci.jpg

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Nice picture - Did you snap it right after you ran over Phil Ivey's dog?

Seriously though, thanks for sharing his advice. It's interesting, because while playing a lot of poker is necessary, it seems that if you don't supplement that play with additional study, you just end up getting really good at making the same mistakes very consistently.

Re: TUAN LE
 

Nice picture - Did you snap it right after you ran over Phil Ivey's dog?

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Great line

Re: TUAN LE
 

Lol. I guess we both have a knack for not smiling for the cameras.

Re: TUAN LE
 

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next time put a warning, now i got a five year old who wont sleep for a week

Re: TUAN LE
 

Well, how do you think the old time gamblers did it? Paul Darden is another pro who apparently didn't read any books (and has more consistant success).

Re: TUAN LE
 

du ma tung na ngu qua. thang co cay trong dit. thou viet may ngu qua

Re: TUAN LE
 

my neew avatar [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. BTW how can i cut out the 2+2er so its jsut ivey? i put it in MS paint but dont know wtf i am doing

Re: TUAN LE
 

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my neew avatar [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. BTW how can i cut out the 2+2er so its jsut ivey? i put it in MS paint but dont know wtf i am doing

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Download Irfanview, it's a free image editing program kind of like photoshop. You can then crop the image and re-size it. Have fun.

Re: TUAN LE
 

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READ AN ARTICLE ON HIM AND HE STATED HE HAS NEVER READ A POKER BOOK I FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE HOW CAN ONE PLAY POKER WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING & APPLYING THE MATH BEHIND IT?

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Didn't All the Greats prior to the 70's become great without ever reading a really good book on poker? I doubt many of them knew much math either.

PairTheBoard

Re: TUAN LE
 

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Didn't All the Greats prior to the 70's become great without ever reading a really good book on poker? I doubt many of them knew much math either.

PairTheBoard

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Even without knowing the math, a player should eventually be able to distinguish between losing plays and winning ones.

TUAN LE is the real deal....
 

I played with Tuan in 2 of the 3 events he's won , I sat with him on day 2 of the wpt championship unfortunately he was right to my left ..... this guy switches gears like a ferrari, he made a really good call against Doyle to bust him , i also played with him at the battle of the champiionships .... he knocked out every single player at the final table.... during the interview almost all the players including me said he was the most feared player there .... Tuan is his worst enemy however but if he focuses he is probably more feared than phil ivey in my opinion , i am sure he knows all the math and implied odds to each hand i dont know how much Barry Greenstien has taught him but he did mention he read Barry's book in the card player interview he said it was the only book he's ever read , Tuan is a really interesting character.. i think the sky is the limit for him if he wanted to play , he said he plays just for the money i honestly do believe him , i ask him some questions and he replied " you think i give a [censored] " what they think ...... personally i would rather play with Barry than Tuan

Re: TUAN LE is the real deal....
 

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I played with Tuan in 2 of the 3 events he's won , I sat with him on day 2 of the wpt championship unfortunately he was right to my left ..... this guy switches gears like a ferrari, he made a really good call against Doyle to bust him , i also played with him at the battle of the champiionships .... he knocked out every single player at the final table.... during the interview almost all the players including me said he was the most feared player there .... Tuan is his worst enemy however but if he focuses he is probably more feared than phil ivey in my opinion , i am sure he knows all the math and implied odds to each hand i dont know how much Barry Greenstien has taught him but he did mention he read Barry's book in the card player interview he said it was the only book he's ever read , Tuan is a really interesting character.. i think the sky is the limit for him if he wanted to play , he said he plays just for the money i honestly do believe him , i ask him some questions and he replied " you think i give a [censored] " what they think ...... personally i would rather play with Barry than Tuan

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