Seperate PLO8 and Limit O/8 Forums?
 

It seems lately this forum is overrun with PLO8 posts. Which isn't a bad thing for the PL players. But its kinda hard to sift through the clutter of a game that I don't play. I wonder if any of the mods here could create seperate forums for limit and PL. Anyone agree? I know even this forum is relatively new, as it used to be in the "other poker" section. But I don't see the problem in having 3 seperate forums for Omaha. I don't wanna be a goober and add a poll to my post, but I'd like to know if there was any interest in this.

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PLO8b should be under the PLO forum. It was for a while then moved. I'm not sure why. PLO8b is a fairly strange game, but its MUCH closer to PLO than limit O8b.

gl

Dave

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PLO8b should be under the PLO forum. It was for a while then moved.
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Dave

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Ditto. It wasn't moved, people just started posting where ever they felt the urge to post. This forum has, from its beginning, been the forum for discussing limit O/8. Lately there seems to be more PLO stuff here than on the PLO forum. To make it clearer for those who can't figure it out, perhaps they should be renamed Limit Omaha/8 and Other Omaha.

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PLO8b is a fairly strange game, but its MUCH closer to PLO than limit O8b.

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I don't want to get in an argument over this, but I disagree with this statement... starting hand selection is obviously much more different between PLO and PLO8 than it is between PLO8 and LO8. In addition, many players make a natural transition from LO8 to PLO8, which is why posting in this forum makes more sense to me.

I support creating a separate PLO8 forum, but until then, I'm posting PLO8 stuff here, not in the PLO forum.

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I see all 3 games as fairly different and I don’t think it’s clear where PLO8 hands are supposed to be posted at present. And I don't think it matters alot either.

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PLO8b is a fairly strange game, but its MUCH closer to PLO than limit O8b.


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No its not, in PLO8 we dont play a lot of hands PLO players would, like say 8/9/10/J thats a monster in PLO, but garbage in PLO8. And we like a lot cards most PLO players dont like say 2/3/4/5. The starting hands are pretty much the same in limit as in pot limit high low, thats why they should be in the same forum.

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I often multi-table a mix of limit O/8 and PLO/8 games without any trouble. But if I try to mix PLO and PLO/8 tables at the same time, bad things happen.

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PLO8b should be under the PLO forum. It was for a while then moved. I'm not sure why. PLO8b is a fairly strange game, but its MUCH closer to PLO than limit O8b.

Dave

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I disagree completely! Handling the quarters is a HUGE part of PL08 and not even a factor in PLO. I agree it should be a seperate forum, but if not-- PLO8 belongs with O8. Frankly, I suspect there are WAY more things to post about in PLO8 as opposed to limit, because the strategic nuances are much more drastic when you wind up playing heads up for your stack as is often the case in PLO8. I think this really is a PL08 forum with some occaisional limit posts.

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Actually, I think there have been more PLO8 posts in this forum than limit in the past few weeks. Maybe rename this one "Pot Limit Omaha/8" and move limit to some other category, like "Poker for Wimps" or something?

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Since I play all 3 games I read both forums. Too bad there aren't really enough posts for 3 seperate forums PLO, PLO8 and LO8. If the current trend of increasing posts continues then you might want to break it out.

Re: Seperate PLO8 and Limit O/8 Forums?
 

Ummm. So handling the quarters is a big part of limit Omaha? If thinking of being quartered is a big part of your limit game then maybe you're in the wrong game.

When I said it was similar to PLO of course I didnt mean the hilo part, I mean, isnt that rather obvious? The split game factor is clearly going to make some hand selection changes, but there are plenty of differences on hand selection from limit too.

Let's put it another way.

How many pots are multiway at the turn?
How many pots are multiway on the river?
How important is stack size?
How important is betting the right amount?

Are these the same for PLO8b and limit?
Which do you think contributes more to your earn, the hand selection factors (which bear a little resemblence to limit) or the "how to play the game" factors, which have more in common with PLO?

FWIW, clearly this isnt directed just at you, Mendacious, but the other posters too.

gl

Dave

Re: Seperate PLO8 and Limit O/8 Forums?
 

Look, it's clear that the majority of frequent PLO8 posters view PLO8 as being more closely related to LO8 than PLO.

Therefore, we'll keep posting in the O8 forum until a PLO8 one is created.

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So that means that they are right?

I'm happy for you all to enjoy your groupthink exercise. But just because one guy says something, then someone else agrees, and others follow so that they seem "to be in the right", doesn't mean a damn thing. Truth isn't democractic. From what I can see, most of the PLO8b posters here have been playing the game for a New York minute.

In the end, it doesn't make much difference, except to the poor limit guys who used to live here. I just thought the question was interesting in itself.

Enjoy yourselves.

gl

Dave D

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So that means that they are right?

I'm happy for you all to enjoy your groupthink exercise. But just because one guy says something, then someone else agrees, and others follow so that they seem "to be in the right", doesn't mean a damn thing. Truth isn't democractic. From what I can see, most of the PLO8b posters here have been playing the game for a New York minute.

In the end, it doesn't make much difference, except to the poor limit guys who used to live here. I just thought the question was interesting in itself.

Enjoy yourselves.

gl

Dave D

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This wouldn't be much of a problem if people would label the game in the subject instead of having to read the post to find out.

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Is there any disadvantage to creating two different sections, even if the post volume isn't super high? People interested in both games can read both sections. Is the only disadvantage that the holdem people have to scroll down a 1/4 inch further to get to their forums? That's something I'm willing to live with.

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I agree that a separate forum should be set up. Thought it was kind of obvious that is was necessary, just never bothered suggesting it. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

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I'm asking Ed what can be done right now. I think three separate forums would be taking things pretty far, due to the lack of posts, in general, but I do believe that if there were more clear cut lines on where exactly the PLO8 should be posted, it could help things quite a bit.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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A cross-pollination of ideas occurs when devotees of different formats comment on hands and strategies. I'd miss that if the forums were separated. Also, this forum is small enough that I haven't had any problems "wading through" posts.

Years ago, I would post the occassional NLO8 hand, and receive interesting insights from people who had never heard of the game, much less played it. Where would NLO8 posts go?

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It seems lately this forum is overrun with PLO8 posts. Which isn't a bad thing for the PL players. But its kinda hard to sift through the clutter of a game that I don't play. I wonder if any of the mods here could create seperate forums for limit and PL. Anyone agree? I know even this forum is relatively new, as it used to be in the "other poker" section. But I don't see the problem in having 3 seperate forums for Omaha. I don't wanna be a goober and add a poll to my post, but I'd like to know if there was any interest in this.

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I don't favor this at all. I think we could easily handle this with posting guidelines rather than segragation. I think there's much more benefit from keeping both limit and PL/NL within one group.

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Ummm. So handling the quarters is a big part of limit Omaha?

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Re-read my post. I said handling the quarters is a big part of PLO8-- not limit. It is not a part of PLO at all which was my point. It does factor into your betting in limit 08, however, in terms of how you bet, just not often to the point of forcing you to fold the nuts. Though you may handle the splits somewhat differently, you are still playing the same game. PLO is a different game entirely.

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You are so right.

In PLO cash tables and PLO/8 cash tables, there are competely different objectives being persued, except to win the maximum pot possible, which is a given.

The PLO fellow almost always scoops or ties sometimes; the O/8 player may scoop, 3/4, be 1/6-ed, or whatever. These possibilities in O/8 make it a much more complicated (mathematical) game than PLO on the surface sometimes.

However, PLO reaches very far outside the O/8 universe. It resembles PL Holdem or even NL Holdem to me.

Isn't that enough reasom to keep them separate?

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I disagree. I think there are enough similarities, and not enough posts.

People could help out by titling their post better.

I also play a fair amount of tournaments- both SnG, and MTT that are PLO/8. SO you could argue that should have it's own forum too, but you seperate things too much, and each forum will only have a couple posts.

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I agree, titling posts better would help. But as for the argument that there won't be enough posts, I don't think that is a very valid argument. Who cares if there isn't a hundred posts a day in each section. As long as there are enough posts to keep the sections moving, then there really can't be a big downside to having seperate sections.

For the people who voted no, other than not having enough posts, what other disadvantages would having seperate sections cause?

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Big Dave D,

I read your blog and am a big fan. I think your intimate knowledge of each game allows to you to see the differences more vividly than others do. So please be a a bit more forgiving!

In my opinion the 3 games (PLO, PLO8 and LO8) are so different as to warrant their own sections. I see little downside to having separate sections. We can ask all we want of posters for better titles, but it will likely never happen perfectly.

Fewer posts in each? meh, as they say...

Re: Seperate PLO8 and Limit O/8 Forums?
 

Comparing big bet poker to limit will always be an apple and oranges thing. Comparing PLO8 and LO8 is about as useful as comparing LHE to Kansas City Lowball.

The ability to manipulate the pot size is the overriding factor.

Rob

Re: Seperate PLO8 and Limit O/8 Forums?
 

might as well get a separate hilo heads up and shorthanded forum as well. Actually this forum is slow enough to have limit, pl, nl, hush oe. And they all pretty much belong here, even if they are different. I think titles is the most reasonable solution until more trafic is generated.

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It's amazing how often I don't understand reasoning that seems obvious to other people. Why does it matter how much traffic there is? It seems only to matter what is convenient for people.

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I agree, the number of posts seems to be a pretty silly criteria if you ask me. Obviously there are enough posts to warrant bringing up the question in the first place, which should be all that matters.

Better question, when we finally get our PLO8 forum, whose butt do we have to kiss to get the existing posts moved there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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It's amazing how often when someone doesn't understand my reasoning I'm wrong.
But it goes like this.

New forums are generality created out of necessity. Trafic in a particular forum becoming unmanageable would force 2+2 to do something.

The left nav would become unusable if every grainular aspect had it's own forum. So some lumping of gmaes that are close but not the same is Ok in my book.

As far as convience goes, the convience of having both pl and limit oe in one forum works for me. It's much better than having to look thru PLO where PL high low posts use to go, or having them in other poker. And since the forum was limit only for awhile I think PLO posters will be stuck with the burden of titling their posts. So I'm changing my vote to yes, What harm is it to get one extra forum

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I haven't read all the replies in this post, but why not just make a 8/B forum with Stud and Omaha Hi/lo. Keep PLO8 under PLO. Dance a little jig.

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How about just creating a "what emptyshell likes" forum with PLO8, some NLHE, a bunch of porn, and some articles on sadomasochism.

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I think a separate forum would be much less confusing for those who are converting from limit Hold'em to limit Omaha/8.

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Well, as you can see, Mat decided to make me a moderator of this forum in order to help decide this issue, I suppose, and because there was no moderator here.

I think having the members decide is the right thing, per the original poll.

Since the response was that PLO8 discussions should go into a new forum, and not here, I guess ideally that is where they will go. Unfortunately, Mat is not able to access 2+2 for a few days or a week, so for right now, no new forums can be created, nor do I even know if he will go for that.

I am NOT a moderator of the PLO forum, I don't believe there is one yet, so for right now, there is pretty much no way for me to move them around, even if we decide between here and there, I don't believe. I'll have to find out more about being a moderator. I'm pretty sure if Mat makes me a moderator of the PLO forum, then I can move them.

So anyway, post on. I'll also try to get some kind of FAQ together when I can. It's going to be a little slow going for me, for a while, due to chemo, but I can still work, just not as fast as normal.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Well, as you can see, Mat decided to make me a moderator of this forum in order to help decide this issue, I suppose, and because there was no moderator here.

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Does this also mean we have to watch our language and avoid drunken porn posts? Bummer.

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I think I've been a member long enough to prove I can hang pretty well. Many people believed for a while that I was actually a guy. Now I've met too many 2+2er's for that to be in question. By some curse I am physically a woman, lol [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

At any rate, I sometimes post in OOT and go with the flow pretty well. I've been on the Internet too long to be offended by much. Carry on as usual.

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This is fantastic news for many reasons:

1. I take it this means you feel well enough to take on the responsibility. This is great news. We are all pulling for you.

2. You are well respected and knowledgeable this adds to your credibility.

3. We need someone who can keep the yahoos in line.

So overall this is great on sooooo many levels.

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Good gawd, do I know you? The check is in the mail [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

1) I had to quit chemo. Long story, some day maybe I'll write about it, but right now, oy, what a nightmare. I should be getting over chemo-brain in a couple of weeks, but until then, I'll take it easy.

The rest of your post is just pure fluff. I memorized Ray's book and completely mimic his play. No talent whatsoever!

But, thanks!

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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<font color="red">YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </font> They should be separated.