Only time to tip a tourney dealer.....
 

When the dealer purposley and righfully takes an extended period of time to shuffle and deal while someone is being blinded off and every player at the table is folding immediately in order to blind him off sooner!

If this helps you win, absolutely the dealer deserves a tip.... If your the player who's being blinded off, absoultely if you find out - the dealer deserves to be fired.....

However, I can righfully consider this the only time a dealer would deserve a tip....

Any thoughts?

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Yeah, I have a thought. You're a friggin' A-hole.

Congratulations, you've joined the elite TWO who have permanantly been banned from any 2+2 events that I happen to be the "event coordinator" of, and also you've joined the perhaps five total persons on these forums that I have felt have so few worthwhile things to say that it's necessary to put you on the "ignore all users posts" list.

I hope you're proud, because your own ignorance and stupidity is all you really have to think highly of yourself for. Lucky for you, people with as small a brain as yours can't tell the difference between their own ignorance and what they perceive to be their own worthwhile reasons for continuing to live. Therefore this post should have little effect on your own self-image, thus averting the need for you to go to the nearest parking garage and jump right off the top, head first. Too bad for the rest of us tho....

Don't worry, I know your mom thinks you really are the coolest kid in the trailer park.

al

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Your post contains many flaws.

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Why are you suck a penis? Nothing but hate for people who do a job to earn a living. You sir, are a piece of $hit that has no life. You offer nothing to this board except your constant whining and missguided thoughts on dealers. Do you ever think about anything else? Like girls, life, girls...and did I mention..girls?

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Personally, I feel that most dealers are bottom feeders and trash. If you tip these people, they'll just spend it on drugs anyway. The money would be better spent calling the INS to ask about their visas.

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Al,

Do you ever get tired of hearing yourself talk? Seriously, next time you feel like writing a 3 paragraph personal attack on someone who did absolutely nothing to you, don't. If you feel the OP is thinking wrong, then explain it to him. Not everybody has the years and years of low limit B&M playing and dealing you do, nor should you expect them to. And not having that experience certainly shouldn't entitle those who do to lash out at you in a barrage of personal insults.

Your post was completely uncalled for and reflects really poorly on you, as a poster and as a person. Next time, make a reasonable reply or STFU.

GoT

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If you tip these people, they'll just spend it on drugs anyway

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That's interesting...because I tip my drug-dealers but have been afraid that they just blow the money on poker.

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Personally, I feel that most dealers are bottom feeders and trash. If you tip these people, they'll just spend it on drugs anyway. The money would be better spent calling the INS to ask about their visas.

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I'm a dealer and have been for 11 years. I've been married for 6 years and have 3 children. I also have over $4000 a month in bills. I don't do drugs and I've had a 6 pack in the fridge for over 6 months. The vast majority of dealers I work with are the the same as me. Family oriented with the occational drink. There are a few that have drug problems, the same as any other job. Next time think about what your saying before you make comments like that. My job is hard enough as is without people like you trying to make it harder by turning others against dealers. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to drop off my daughter at school and go to work.

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I'm going to ignore the obviousness that this dickhead opens himself to and give a good answer...

in NYC, at the clubs, I understand that some of them only get paid in tips, so don't be a dickhead - tip...

you dickhead.

RB

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I've had a 6 pack in the fridge for over 6 months.

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These two are jerkoffs and are only here to post useless crap about dealers and tipping. There was no point to this thread other than to start another flame war. Al was perfectly in the right to respond that way IMO.

GoT, you should butt the hell out from what I see. When these creeps are slamming your livelyhood, and claming that you are a scumbag and beggar for simply doing your job, then you can chime in. MMMkay?

Chip, very well said my friend. I imagine these two are under 21 and have never even been in a casino. I could be wrong, but I am usually not. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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GoT, you should butt the hell out from what I see. When these creeps are slamming your livelyhood, and claming that you are a scumbag and beggar for simply doing your job, then you can chime in. MMMkay?

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I see exactly zero of any of that in the post that Al Capone Jr responded to. Also, what does any of that have to do with the post I made, or the post I was responding to?

GoT

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GoT, you should butt the hell out from what I see. When these creeps are slamming your livelyhood, and claming that you are a scumbag and beggar for simply doing your job, then you can chime in. MMMkay?

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I see exactly zero of any of that in the post that Al Capone Jr responded to. Also, what does any of that have to do with the post I made, or the post I was responding to?

GoT

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This is a continuation of flaming dealers from other threads by these two. Meaning, the OP, and adhoc.

The point of his thread is simply, dealers shouldn't be tipped, and was started to kick up more [censored].

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GoT, you should butt the hell out from what I see. When these creeps are slamming your livelyhood, and claming that you are a scumbag and beggar for simply doing your job, then you can chime in. MMMkay?

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I see exactly zero of any of that in the post that Al Capone Jr responded to. Also, what does any of that have to do with the post I made, or the post I was responding to?

GoT

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This is a continuation of flaming dealers from other threads by these two. Meaning, the OP, and adhoc.

The point of his thread is simply, dealers shouldn't be tipped, and was started to kick up more [censored].

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Okay. I was simply pointing out that Al's post was basically a huge personal attack and the obvious start of a flame war, which IMO is dumb.

BTW, I've skimmed thru the other thread you mentioned, but didn't really see any compelling arguments for why dealers DESERVE to be tipped. That's not saying I don't, because I do, but what are some valid logical arguments for them deserving tips, or what do they do exactly that should automatically make them deserve a one? Usually I just see/hear dealers make some comment to the effect of "Are you serious??" in a condescending mocking tone if this is asked, but I'm genuinely want to hear some arguments.

GoT

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Personally, I feel that most dealers are bottom feeders and trash. If you tip these people, they'll just spend it on drugs anyway. The money would be better spent calling the INS to ask about their visas.

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I'm a dealer and have been for 11 years. I've been married for 6 years and have 3 children. I also have over $4000 a month in bills. I don't do drugs and I've had a 6 pack in the fridge for over 6 months. The vast majority of dealers I work with are the the same as me. Family oriented with the occational drink. There are a few that have drug problems, the same as any other job. Next time think about what your saying before you make comments like that. My job is hard enough as is without people like you trying to make it harder by turning others against dealers. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to drop off my daughter at school and go to work.

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im pretty sure the guy was joking around in his reply.

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If you tip these people, they'll just spend it on drugs anyway

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That's interesting...because I tip my drug-dealers but have been afraid that they just blow the money on poker.

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This is what I don't understand...tipping dealers has been going on in this city for decades upon decades, and all of a sudden the same few 2+2ers want an explanation as to why it should be done? Why do I get the feeling those always questioning dealers getting tokes are jealous? I'm sure this isn't the case... Let me keep my explanation short: dealers who take pride in what they are doing, whether its through excellent game control, great customer service, or whatever, deserve to be toked for the service they are providing. I have never endorsed toking bad dealers w/ bad attitudes. However, I get the sense that a certain few who constantly post on here could give a rats ass how hard the dealer is trying: they're not going to tip them period. Please, for the love of God, if you don't like to tip dealers, stay home...play on the computer. It's a great alternative and you will never have to worry about tipping a dealer, guarenteed...

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Personally, I feel that most dealers are bottom feeders and trash. If you tip these people, they'll just spend it on drugs anyway. The money would be better spent calling the INS to ask about their visas.

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I'm a dealer and have been for 11 years. I've been married for 6 years and have 3 children. I also have over $4000 a month in bills. I don't do drugs and I've had a 6 pack in the fridge for over 6 months. The vast majority of dealers I work with are the the same as me. Family oriented with the occational drink. There are a few that have drug problems, the same as any other job. Next time think about what your saying before you make comments like that. My job is hard enough as is without people like you trying to make it harder by turning others against dealers. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to drop off my daughter at school and go to work.

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im pretty sure the guy was joking around in his reply.

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Nope. HE is a joke, but he was not joking.

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There are a few that have drug problems, the same as any other job.

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I am not suggesting that all dealers have drug problems, only that most of them do. My guess is that somewhere from 80-90% are serious drug addicts, or at least long-term recreational drug users, mostly, I think, of crack. If you are not addicted to drugs, that is very laudable, and I am not referring to you. All I am doing is pointing out the facts.

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BTW, I've skimmed thru the other thread you mentioned, but didn't really see any compelling arguments for why dealers DESERVE to be tipped. That's not saying I don't, because I do, but what are some valid logical arguments for them deserving tips, or what do they do exactly that should automatically make them deserve a one? Usually I just see/hear dealers make some comment to the effect of "Are you serious??" in a condescending mocking tone if this is asked, but I'm genuinely want to hear some arguments.

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I don't care to get into this debate yet again. If you don't tip, then you don't tip. No amount of rationalizing is going to change a cheapskates mind. If a dealer is doing a good job, and moving the game along, he deserves a tip from the winner of the pot. Its the way its done. Period.

Truth is, dealers don't really give a [censored] about you non-tippers. Push the pot, and move on to the next hand. Tippers far outnumber the cheapskates. The problem I have, is when these a-holes try to convience everyone else not to tip as well. Most likely so they won't continue to look/feel like an ass in front of everyone.

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If you don't tip, then you don't tip.

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Explain.

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There are a few that have drug problems, the same as any other job.

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I am not suggesting that all dealers have drug problems, only that most of them do. My guess is that somewhere from 80-90% are serious drug addicts. If you are not addicted to drugs, that is very laudable, and I am not referring to you. All I am doing is pointing out the facts.

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Hey littleman,

Did you know that ALL the major Vegas casinos do hair testing prior to employment? They can go back very far with hair tests. Seems to me it would be kind of hard to get a job if you are a "drug addict" when this type of screening is done.

Stupid troll has no idea what he is talking about. Spare everyone your high school locker room talk.

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If you don't tip, then you don't tip.

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Explain.

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Explain??

It's real simple if you can read plain english. A non-tipper is a non-tipper, and will always be that way. Its more of a personality trait.

Anything else I can comprehend for you?

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By the way adhoc, shouldn't you be off to school?

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BTW, I've skimmed thru the other thread you mentioned, but didn't really see any compelling arguments for why dealers DESERVE to be tipped.

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I don't post in this forum often (usually play online) but how does someone so ignorant get a green screen name? Are you a moderator somewhere or something?

If you don't want to tip waitresses, don't go out to a restaurant. If you don't want to tip dealers, don't play in a casino. I know you said that you tip, but why should a dealer have to get into a conversation with someone about why they "deserve" a tip? No self-respecting person would get into a conversation with someone after you pose such a condescending question. What is he supposed to do, allow himself to be demeaned and grovel for tips? That really pisses me off when someone wants to take advantage of the fact that the guy they're being an A-hole to is at work and can't respond properly for fear of getting into trouble with their bosses.

Recognizing the restraint that the dealer has to show, I hope the other players at the table, who can say basically whatever they want, explained to you what an A-hole you are.

Some people must have to treat other people like this in order to make themselves feel important. I don't give a $hit who you are, you're no better than that dealer making a living buddy. Why don't you try asking him that question outside of his place of employment and see how he responds to you???

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It's real simple if you can read plain english. A non-tipper is a non-tipper, and will always be that way. Its more of a personality trait.

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I'm not sure that this is necessarily true, as the graphic below suggests. Note that there appears to be some overlap between "tippers" and "non-tippers." What is your source?

http://members.aol.com/veryadhoc/tippers.jpg

most dealers make $2.13 an hour (or less) plus tips.
 

If NOBODY tips me I make 20 bucks a day, or 320$ a months
nobody can live on that. the guy begging change makes more than that.
If NOBODY tiped the dealer, there would be no dealers, hence there would be no B&M poker.

In answer to the origional question, only the winner, or winners of the tourny are expected to tip the dealer. If it is a multi table tourney, which most of them are, than whatever tips are recieved get split by all the dealers that dealt that tourney. If none of the winners tip, then we just dealt that tourney for free. nobody likes to work for free.
10% of whatever you win in a tourney is an ideal tip. that may sound like alot, but its really not. after its all said and done, a ten % tip will usually brerak down to about 12-17 bucks an hour for all the dealers in the tourny
remember 15 bucks an hour 40 hours a week is only 30K a year.

If you dont want to tip, then dont tip, the dealers will still be nice to you, because we have to, but please keep it tou yourself. i am sure you would not like it if I tried to talk your boss out of not paying you next month.

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BTW, I've skimmed thru the other thread you mentioned, but didn't really see any compelling arguments for why dealers DESERVE to be tipped.

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Since you ask nicely, and say that you tip anyway --

What are the compelling arguments for tipping anyone?

Waitresses, Bellboys, Cab Drivers, Doormen, etc. etc. etc.

The compelling reason is that this is the custom in the United States. Certain people get tipped and that tips are considered part of their income. Essentially, if someone performs 'average' service (which, almost by definition, most do) they get a standard tip, whatever that is. For exceptional service, give 'em a little extra. On RARE occasions where service is sub par, tip a little less or not at all.

However, for the compelling reason -- we do it because that's what's the custom here, and expected tips are part of the compensation scale.

Ok...
 

You pretty much missed GOT's post entirely. He was just stating facts, not saying "compelling reasons for tipping" need to be put forth. I'm quite confident GOT tips, and probably tips well. I'm quite confident GOT knows some good reasons why he should tip, and why they outway the reasons not to tip. A lot of people here could outline these reasons but it's been done ad nauseum in the past.

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I know you said that you tip, but why should a dealer have to get into a conversation with someone about why they "deserve" a tip?

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GOT is not saying anywhere that a dealer should have this conversation. Please read his post again.



On another note, I'm going to start getting rid of posts in this thread that have no on topic discussion. If this thread just becomes a re hash of arguments made in threads in previous days, I'm going to lock it.

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GOT is not saying anywhere that a dealer should have this conversation. Please read his post again.

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Here's what he wrote:

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Usually I just see/hear dealers make some comment to the effect of "Are you serious??" in a condescending mocking tone if this is asked, but I'm genuinely want to hear some arguments.

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Clearly, he's saying that they should answer the question when asked. Just as clearly, the reason that they respond like this is because they can't give an honest answer because they are at work and have to be polite. Asking them that question is just an attempt to be rude and demeaning.

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I'm quite confident GOT tips, and probably tips well.

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I wrote:

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I know you said that you tip, but why should a dealer have to get into a conversation with someone about why they "deserve" a tip?

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Please read his post again.

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Not trying to be a smart aleck, but it looks like you're the one who didn't carefully read the posts.

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Ah, I see the confusion. GOT is talking about dealers dicussing why or why not to tip on these boards, not at the tables as they're dealing. I'm not sure if I misunderstood this or you did, but having a discussion here, debating the merits/appropriateness of tipping is one thing. Asking a dealer on the job, "Hey why should I tip you?" is something entirely different.

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That was my only point Johnny. It just bugs me to see people demeaned while doing their jobs.

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Okay,

I am obviously being misunderstood here, which is partly my fault, so I'll try to phrase myself more clearly. And although it should make no difference in this discussion, a lot of people seem to want to take things personally instead of having an objective discussion, so I will preface by stating that I always tip dealers, and I tip dealers well. Playing 3/6 at the Mirage one night I tipped away (no exaggeration) between $600 and $700. I am not cheap. Here is my question:

What service does a dealer provide that in and of itself deserves a tip? The way I understand it, is that casinos decided (at whatever point in time) that they would factor in tips into a dealer's wages. So the casino pays part of their wage, and the players are expected to pay the other part. I'm fine with that and have no problem tipping to compensate for that. But as far as I can tell, poker dealers do absolutely nothing that really DESERVES a tip. We are forced/encouraged to tip because the casino doesn't want to pay that much for poker dealers. Now, if we didn't tip, then the casino would eventually be forced to pay the dealers more, the rake would go way up, and we'd be paying them anyway.

So as I said, I understand and don't mind tipping at all. I do get somewhat annoyed, however, when dealers start talking/acting as if they are doing something that DESERVES a tip. It's as if some (not all, and probably not even close to a majority) have developed a feeling of entitlement, which when expressed can comes off as ungrateful, condescending, pompous, or some combination of the above. It's this feeling of entitlement and the attitude it entails that I am not a fan of, not the actual act of tipping poker dealers.

That attitude can in part be seen even in this thread. Several posters read my post and instead of coming up with a logical answer or objective reason, they apparently took things personally, getting offended that someone would dare question that the act of dealing doesn't deserve any players tip. What an [censored], right? And although it may not be its intent, those kind of statements can come across as ungrateful, etc. A lot of people who are newer to B&M poker are not going to know about or understand the system of casino underpayment described above, and as such will not understand why they should tip their dealer. And a very large number of these new players are going to be the young players. But instead of people explaining it to them, you get people saying "tip or go home" or even lanching personal insults.

It seems to me that over time as the system of tipping instead of higher rake has become more and more established, that dealers have started believing that the service they provide, in and of itself, deserves a tip. And that's developed into this feeling of entitlement and, in some cases, arrogance and ungratefulness. But does it really? That's an honest question, not a point. This is just my opinion right now, and maybe I'm missing something. But I'd like to know if I am. If you've read and understand what I've said, you would know that the answer would make no difference whatsoever whether I tip or not.

GoT

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This is what I don't understand...tipping dealers has been going on in this city for decades upon decades, and all of a sudden the same few 2+2ers want an explanation as to why it should be done? Why do I get the feeling those always questioning dealers getting tokes are jealous? I'm sure this isn't the case... Let me keep my explanation short: dealers who take pride in what they are doing, whether its through excellent game control, great customer service, or whatever, deserve to be toked for the service they are providing. I have never endorsed toking bad dealers w/ bad attitudes. However, I get the sense that a certain few who constantly post on here could give a rats ass how hard the dealer is trying: they're not going to tip them period. Please, for the love of God, if you don't like to tip dealers, stay home...play on the computer. It's a great alternative and you will never have to worry about tipping a dealer, guarenteed...

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i dont think its that unreasonable to examine WHY you are doing something as opposed to continuing to do something just because "it has always been done". we all know the famous opening scene in reservoir dogs where theyre sitting in the cafe talking about "madonnas big dick" and one says he doesnt believe in tipping and makes a series of valid points and the only points for tipping are either that it has always been done or that the people need it. personally i tip ALL THE TIME. when i was just in tahoe i made a bet for the dealer in blackjack 6 times in a row (she lost all 6 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]) but i can understand that other people dont want to/cant afford to and i dont think they deserve to have personal attacks mounted against them.

the whole point of tipping is that its supposed to be an optional add-on for exceptional service. of course exceptional service is much different to me than to someone who has less money to spare and i can accept that. we should probably quit having the dealer of the board chew out posters who dont tip because a) its kind of assholish and unwelcoming and b) it shows an obvious motivational bias and i cant imagine those are good for a well-thought out discussion. if tipping becomes something you "have" to do, its not really a tip. personally i think they should just rake a dollar on top of the normal rake in bigger pots and give it to the dealers. its kind of like what they do at resturants when they add a gratuity for large parties(although this generally screws over the staff because i like to tip 20-25% and the mandatory gratuity is uaully only 15-18%. so ill usually leave a couple bucks extra in these situations. but as long as that isnt the case we can't be telling people that if they dont tip they will be "kicked in the nuts" or banned from 2+2 events, it makes us all look like snobs.

rj

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I have no problem debating any question in the proper setting. But I guess I still don't know the answer to this question: Would you ask a random dealer (one that you didn't know) if he deserved to be tipped while playing at his table?

Surely you can see that doing this puts the dealer in a terrible position. They will view the question as hostile and condescending. You will have the advantage of being the customer in the customer / service employee relationship. Of course their response would be one of "what the hell are you talking about" or whatever in that setting.

If you are just asking these questions in this forum or away from the table, that's another story. Also, I guess I'm biased by the fact that all but one or two dealers at my local casino are very friendly, so I don't see the sense of entitlement that you are referring to.

In fact, on two occassions, while I was going through a period of dead cards, another player won 4 pots in a row without tipping the dealer. The dealer was one that I had always gotten along with (sports talk, etc.). I tipped the dealer just to shame the other guy in front of the rest of the table. I said something like, "Well if he won't tip you, I will." Viewed it as an offering to the poker gods if nothing else. The next pot that this guy won, he tipped the dealer. I know that you tip, but you have to admit, sometimes other players are real jerks to the dealers. Not tipping, bitching about getting deal bad hands, not putting their chips where the dealer can reach them, etc. I have no problem tipping them because 1) that's the system that is in place and I have chosen to play there that day and 2) they're just regular people trying to make a living. That's enough for me.

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I have no problem debating any question in the proper setting. But I guess I still don't know the answer to this question: Would you ask a random dealer (one that you didn't know) if he deserved to be tipped while playing at his table?

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I'm not sure where you got this idea. Of course not.

GoT

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I'm not sure where you got this idea. Of course not.

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Your OP made it sound that way. You sure weren't talking about their responses on this forum because you said that you hear / see them respond to this question in the way you described. I guess you were just talking about speaking to dealers in another setting.

Well then, I take back my A-hole comments and apologize. But if you look at your OP, you should be able to see how I came to the conclusion that you were talking about asking them at the table.

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10% of whatever you win in a tourney is an ideal tip. that may sound like alot, but its really not.

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Al's rants and statements like this are part of the reason why some people develop negative attitudes towards dealers.

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10% of whatever you win in a tourney is an ideal tip. that may sound like alot, but its really not.

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Al's rants and statements like this are part of the reason why some people develop negative attitudes towards dealers.

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i agree, i am perplexed at how if i win 10k in a tournament i am selfish in any way for tipping less than 1k. that is completely laughable and idiotic. if i tip a dealer 250 for winning 10k i have GIVEN him 250 dollars and he complains? yes, these are the people i want to keep giving my money to...not.

NOTE: as i said in my earlier post, i tip a lot and i advocate tipping. however an entitlement to tipping and EXPECTING a certain amount is a complete joke.

rj